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Tuesday's Exit Polls
nov 5 2004 | yldstrk

Posted on 11/04/2004 12:20:44 PM PST by yldstrk

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I think we can safely assume that the exit polls were manipulated by the Democrat machine. So, now let's look for the smoking gun and then figure out how to prevent this from happening again
1 posted on 11/04/2004 12:20:50 PM PST by yldstrk
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To: yldstrk

We benefitted from this attempt. Even the reasonable pundits say the first exit polls should be ignored, that they are extremely unreliable. IMO, it motivated our base.


2 posted on 11/04/2004 12:23:16 PM PST by SouthTexas
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My solution was not to pay attention to exit polls. But this is partially due to my ignorance; I didn't panic yesterday cuz I had not known that exit polls were ever considered to be so reliable in the first place.

1. They're, um, POLLS. Polls have sampling errors or they wouldn't be polls.

2. They are subject to any number of biases: geographic (which locations did they happen to exit-poll?), personal (they polled way more women than men for some reason), time (an exit poll in the a.m. is by definition polling only the people who vote in the morning, not those who vote after work), etc.

3. They will necessarily be based on some *model* of the overall electorate. If they poll some blacks and their *model* says blacks are 60% of all voters then they'd always show the (D) way on top. But that model would be wrong. It looks like the model was wrong yesterday too - not as wrong as mine, but still wrong.

So my solution: disregard "exit polls" in the first place. They don't mean squat.

3 posted on 11/04/2004 12:25:50 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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I agree with you. Most people seem to assume that hearing of an early exit poll with Kerry on top would discourage Bush voters in the west, and therefore that was the motive for the fake. But I'm not so sure; isn't it just as plausible to think that Bush voters who heard of those polls thought "damn, now I KNOW I better get to the polling place"?

I guess it all depends on whether exit polls are believed to be the last word, or just an initial fuzzy estimate. I took them to be the latter. I guess there might be some who think of them as the former, but perhaps they're more likely to be Democrats... because you have to be kind of stupid to place so much stock in an a.m. exit poll ;-) In other words, if this *was* a (D) trick, I'm not sure it didn't backfire on them....

4 posted on 11/04/2004 12:28:57 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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I read that the polls in NC showed women were 69% of voters at one point. Then the dems wondered why the gap in the state was so much larger than what the exit polls had predicted.

Has college education really fallen off that much since I took statistics in grad school? You'd think a basic reality check would be in order?


5 posted on 11/04/2004 12:30:01 PM PST by Nagilum
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That's my full thought also. Whether it was a Carl Rove/Matt Drudge plot or just the typical DNC shooting themselves in the foot more, I really believe our President benefited.
6 posted on 11/04/2004 1:13:21 PM PST by SouthTexas
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