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To: HarleyD
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please keep in mind ANY type of "experience" should be suspect. I have never found a way to test whether something is from God or not. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is true I have ever understood what happened to me AT ALL BUT if the church had been open I would have been in there on my face. So either way I went running to the church and The Word Of GOD. Now keep in mind I grew up and still go to a Baptist Church and they don't believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit are active today.

~~~~~~~The very FIRST thing God instilled within my heart when I became a "new creature in Christ" was to read His word-and I might add it was the first thing that was attacked.~~~~~~~~~~~

I find the attacks never stop it is BATTLE everyday.

~~~~~~~He’s not into parlor games. Instead, “STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED”.~~~~~~~~~~

Do you believe you have to be approved by GOD for salvation or is it a free gift? I really don't know about your religion so please don't take offense:)
822 posted on 10/14/2004 8:52:04 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (Character exalts Liberty and Freedom, Righteous exalts a Nation.)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT
While I've attended many good Bible believing churches I presently attend a Southern Baptist church. Because of my recent switch to a Calvinist belief I like to think of myself as a Reformed Baptist.

"Do you believe you have to be approved by GOD for salvation or is it a free gift?"

I believe God give the gift of salvation to those who He will. This has been my experience. This is what the early church taught. And this is what the scriptures says.

Since our salvation IS a gift, like a Christmas present, God is not going to rescind it and He has sealed his Holy Spirit inside us which is our guarantee to the praise of His glory. The last part of the "Study to show yourself approve.." states "...so you will NOT be ashamed." I think it would be tragic to get before the throne of our Lord Jesus and be ashamed for not following the scripture that God has given us.

Please keep in mind our shepherd fights our battles. Not us. If we try to do so it becomes a struggle. But we serve an all powerful God who cares for us and will fight for us but He rightfully wants and deserves the recognition and the glory.

2Ch 20:17 'You need not fight in this battle; station yourselves, stand and see the salvation of the LORD on your behalf, O Judah and Jerusalem.' Do not fear or be dismayed; tomorrow go out to face them, for the LORD is with you."

824 posted on 10/15/2004 1:19:27 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

Rather than becoming so concerned as to whether or not an experience is from God or not, it might be more appropriate to recognize we, as believers, when we are in fellowship with Him, are alive in the spirit.

Just as we might identify with physical conflict and intellectual debates, there is also a very real warfare in the spiritual domain.

I suspect too many of us behave like sheep,..stupidly blundering about out of habit, just not catching on to what he has provided for us in a very calm, clearly level-headed fashion, from love and patient perseverence.

Many become obsessed with the spectacular, when the most significant features in warfare might have no spectacular significance.

Salvation might be associated with an experience for some people, while for others the moment of salvation is purely a thought exercise of simple faith in Him.


825 posted on 10/15/2004 4:44:44 AM PDT by Cvengr (;^))
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