Posted on 10/02/2004 3:48:27 PM PDT by Quix
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I think Kathleen K has lots of stuff including side by side photos indicating that the Pope with the short term was murdered and an imposter put in his place. Jean Paul I?
Check this. I don't put a lot of stock in some of the article, but the pictures seem to prove the point.
http://www.tldm.org/News3/impostor.htm
Seems vividly clear to me!
What did the imposter succeed in doing for satan?
It sounds like there was a power struggle between the Pope and at least 3 cardinals. At least one of these wanted to be the next pope. They appear to have drugged John VI starting around 1971. Interestingly, I went to the vatican website to see what John VI did from 1971-1978 and his "travels" end in 1970. He was an ecumenist.
Here is his obit...
Pope Paul VI Is Dead of a Heart Attack at 80; Guided the Church Through Era of Change
By KENNETH A. BRIGGS
In contrast to Pope John XXIII, his predecessor, Paul VI was not naturally gregarious and innovative. He was the consummate bureaucrat in his Vatican career and not given to striking out in new directions.
If there had been no Second Vatican Council, begun under John XXIII and completed during his own reign, it is unlikely that Paul VI would have proposed such an updating of the church. But the modernizing was already well under way when he began his reign.
Paul's contribution was a product of his superior intellect, applied in the delicate application of so many Vatican II reforms. It was felt also in his unassuming presence, in which many world leaders found a poignant, peaceful respite.
Enormous Spiritual Quality
To those who met him across ideological and religious boundaries, Paul VI was first and foremost a man of surpassing spiritual quality.
He was a progressive exponent of human rights, a position that contrasted with his conservatism on church doctrine. He appealed for commitment to conventional Catholic principles as ardently as he championed the cause of the poor, the hungry and the oppressed.
To those who follow the proceedings of the church, he was much more. He performed the arduous and often thankless role as caretaker over a church that was in the midst of a tumultuous change.
In terms of particular actions, Pope Paul may be best remembered for his 1967 encyclical that underscored the church's opposition to artifical means of birth control. It caused a storm of protest, particularly in the United States, and is often cited as a major reason for the large-scale decline in mass attendance that followed in America.
For the Pope it was a matter of unshakable faith in historical Catholic reasoning rather than a question that should be rethought according to modern psychological, demographic or theological factors. He listened to the case for loosening the ban, brought forcefully by those appointed to study the problem, then made his decision.
Question of Women as Priests
The same pattern accompanied his decision in 1977 to approve a statement by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which upheld the church's policy of refusing to ordain women to the priesthood. Since a priest must bear the image of a man because Christ was a man, he said, female priests were unthinkable.
Though these decisions often left progressives in the church disgruntled, his pleas for the downtrodden and his capacity for self-sacrifice won him a spiritual following that included all elements of the church.
His humility was epitomized when he offered himself in exchange for hostages held captive in Mogadishu, Somalia. In a political world rife with cynicism, his offer bore the stamp of sincerity.
He faithfully put in effect many of the changes that Vatican II called for. He oversaw the rendering of the mass into the vernacular from Latin, undertook a revision of all seven sacramental rites and presided over a revamping of church government that introduced a variety of consultative councils from the parish level to the newly-formed Synod of Bishops, which has met in recent years.
He also brought into being guidelines for a radical new relationship between Catholics and Jews that has provided a healthier atmosphere between them.
Critics of his policies assert that he did not pursue many of the reforms with sufficient energy and that, because he was conservative by nature, the procedures were conducted without changing the basic power alignment at the various levels of the church. In particular, the critics assert that the Curia, the Vatican's central government, has not relinquished its strong control over church affairs despite the establishment of such complementary groups as the regular Synod of Bishops.
Work Still to Be Done
The progressives conclude that there is much unfinished business in the updating of the church because of Pope Paul's lack of enthusiasm for further reform.
As one who had risen from modest origins to the highest ecclesiastical authority, he revered the church and sought to protect it against the temptations of a secular age. He did not trust the sexual liberality of the present, or the tendency toward doctrinal relativism.
The losses to the church in numbers and influence caused him much grief. His messages during his last years were often a desperate cry to those in the church to try harder.
He extolled those who appeared most loyal by traditional standards and lamented those who, like the thousands of priests who married or resigned during his tenure, failed to conform. Once, extremely upset, he compared such priests to Judas.
But because he was understood most of all as a man of compassion, even by his opponents, the targets of his criticism saw his rebuke as sorrow rather than anger.
He showed the same characteristics in his reaching out to the non-Catholic world. He traveled more than any Pope in history, including memorable journeys to the United States, where he addressed the United Nations and a throng in Yankee Stadium and to India and to Africa. He took these opportunities to advance peace and justice, rather than pressing any theological claims.
An International-Minded Figure
He repeatedly appealed for peace in Vietnam and supported various drives for civil and human rights.
This aspect of his service was often taken for granted. But he set precedents in the cause of human betterment and justice that mark him as the most international-minded of Popes. His successor would undoubtedly be expected to follow this example.
He was a firm, though often reluctant, ecumenist. He embraced the Patriarch and prayed for reunion with the Eastern Orthodox. He also indicated strong desires to reach concord with the Anglican communion.
But his longings were tempered by a determination to retain Catholicism in an uncompromised state. He warned the Anglicans, for example, that the decision by some among them to ordain women would pose an obstacle to church unity. In doing so, however, he maintained cordial relations with them, even as he did with those outside the church who he knew would not understand his message or be receptive to Catholicism.
Of course, his successor was only in there for 33 days. It is said that one of the powermongering cardinals poisoned him. Then, Pope JPII beat out the cardinals who aspired to succeed the murdered JPI.
Okay, I found what went on with the imposter. He worked with the Mafia.
THEIR FATHER WAS A LIAR AND A HOMICIDE FROM THE BEGINNING
It seemed impossible to the managers of Vatican Incorporated, whose Director General is the Pope, to accept the demands of the Italian State in 1967-68 that the fiscal exemption granted by Mussolini should be revised, and that the greatest financial empire in the peninsular, the Vatican, should be taxed like any other. «The Vatican wanted to play the market but not to pay for the privilege.» It bridled at this and threatened, by means of a perfectly odious blackmail, to provoke, if the Italian State insisted, the collapse of the Italian economy by brutally releasing all its stock onto the market. «Eventually Italy decided to call the Vatican’s bluff.» The Vatican bowed and asked for time. Time to find an escape route for the enormous capital of the... “Church of the poor.”
«If the Vatican maintained its heavy investment in Italy it was going to face very large tax bills. Pope Paul VI had a problem. The men he turned to for the solution were The Gorilla and The Shark.»
The Gorilla was Paul Marcinkus, a native of Cicero (Chicago), Al Capone’s country. Marcinkus would prove to be a worthy imitator of the great man himself. At Milan, he had been the close friend of Pascale Macchi, who was private secretary to Paul VI. With a view to supervising this illegal and delicate manoeuvre, the transfer of the Vatican’s fortune overseas and its discreet infiltration into the world’s most lucrative speculation channels, Paul VI made Marcinkus his business man. And since Marcinkus had no competence in this sphere, other than a total lack of conscience, he appointed the Shark, Michele Sindona, «a member of his Milan mafia», in reality a thoroughgoing member of the Sicilian mafia, wholly corruptible, already corrupted and absolutely ruthless. Sindona was a native of Sicily and religiously practiced the rule of silence, the omerta, as well as the “Sicilian Solution”, assassination as the normal way of guaranteeing peaceful business.
In Milan, Sindona had shown «proven abilities at moving amounts of money in and out of Italy without disturbing the tranquillity of the Government’s taxation departments». He was the director of a great many companies all linked together in accordance with the cardinal rule of high flying crooks: «The best way to steal from a bank is to buy one», with the money of a third party of course! In order to cultivate the Archbishop of Milan’s friendship, he did not hesitate to lend Cardinal Montini two million dollars for his works. And so when the Cardinal Archbishop of Milan became Pope, it was to Sindona that his thoughts turned to have the Vatican’s capital transferred beyond the Alps.
«Your force is the Mafia and your power is Freemasonry», an associate had said to him, and it was true. «The Lodge was “Propaganda Due” or P2 and its Grand Master was Licio Gelli.» It was at the time «a secret and illegal» lodge, the only truly active one, claiming to be legitimate, and controlling, as it still does today, the Italian State government, army and law. Already in Milan, Michele Sindona’s career was being discreetly patronized by Licio Gelli. In return, Sindona installed siphons in his banks destined to replenish the every more greedy coffers of P2.
«Through the esoteric Cardinal Bertoli, Gelli gained entry into the Vatican. He dined with Bishop Paul Marcinkus. He had a number of audiences with Pope Paul VI.» He also forged close friendships with Cardinals Baggio, Casaroli, etc. at the house of his Roman adviser, the lawyer Umberto Ortolani, where great affairs of Church were dealt with, in his villa in the Via Archimede.
Thus from mafia to bank and from bank to lodge, Vatican Incorporated infiltrated some very strange patrons into Holy Church.
The enormous flight of capital, piously decided by Paul VI, was therefore accomplished amid general satisfaction, whilst the same Pope condemned such action in others in his encyclical Populorum Progressio. It is the parable of the mote and the beam in real life. «The world’s richest real estate owner... decided to liquidate a sizeable proportion of their Italian assets and reinvest in other countries. Thus they would avoid heavy taxation, and the yield on the investment would be better.» This transaction carried out under the nose of the Italian State resulted in a grave economic crisis for the country with very harsh repercussions for the poor in the year 1970.
Vatican Incorporated, widening its scope, called in a new shark, Roberto Calvi. Having become through the same procedures and the same patronage associate director of the very honourable and clerical Banco Ambrosiano of Milan, he «was introduced in 1971 to Bishop Marcinkus (I was forgetting: Paul VI had consecrated him bishop) by Sindona and instantly joined the very select Vatican clan of uomini di fiducia.» Thereafter, the Banco Ambrosiano became a powerful centre for laundering dirty money, for transferring currency and for international speculation all under the cover and with the active cooperation of Vatican Incorporated, which «ultimately owned the entire laundry». «Calvi’s contribution consisted in spreading the cancer of the Vatican’s criminality throughout the world.»
And as was bound to happen, this fine well-knit team of international crooks began to siphon cash on an ever increasing scale from the various accounts of Vatican Incorporated in order to feed their own accounts, those of their friends, and those of their “godfathers”. Problems begin «when you siphon off capital in large amounts to third parties. A hole begins to appear...» Clearly, a siphon, unlike other banking manipulations, only pumps real money. «A hole begins to appear.»
No less inevitably, the CIA, the Interpol, the FBI and the tax authorities began to alert one another and then move into action. P2 had to work harder and harder, and the finance needed to guarantee the tranquillity of both Vatican Incorporated and the Ambrosiano grew. Systematic blackmail and corruption ensued, followed unfortunately by the Italian Solution, which consists in creating a climate of intimidation by killing a magistrate who wants to know too much, a troublesome police officer or an imprudent mafioso. The trouble is that one crime leads to another and the cost mounts up. The day comes when a client, a bank manager or a shareholder discovers the hole and loses confidence. Sometimes a bank will crack, threatening to bring down the whole organization throughout the world!
Already in 1972, someone had seen this quite clearly. It was our dear and pure Albino Luciani. Having taken control of the Banco Ambrosiano and transformed it into a clearing house and a laundry for cleaning dirty money made from the sale of drugs and other such filth, our mafiosi moved in with the same perverse and criminal intentions to seize hold of the honest and very clerical Banco Cattolica del Veneto. Of all the bishops of Venetia, only our Luciani dared to protest. He made enquiries and discovered that, with the agreement of Paul VI, the president of his dear bank, called the “Priests’ bank”, Marcinkus had sold it to Calvi without the knowledge of the bishops of the province, who were the bank’s true guardians and guarantors. Profoundly indignant, our Saint came to voice his indignation in Rome where he found only Benelli to share his grievance and assuage his anger. It is reported that Marcinkus showed him the door.
They thought they were all-powerful. They exaggerated. In 1973, the Crime and Racketeering section of the US Department of Justice discovered, along with a signed blessing from Paul VI, an agreement with Mario Foligni whereby the Vatican was to be sold a consignment of false bonds with the nominal value of one billion dollars. The author of «one of the greatest swindles in the world» was Paul Marcinkus and his accomplice, Sindona. The Vatican dismissed the investigators in the same way as it dealt with a common Abbé de Nantes who had come to Rome in that same year with a complaint against Paul VI “for heresy, schism and scandal”...! They carried on even worse than before.
Aid to the sum of two billion dollars did not prevent the collapse of the Franklin Bank in the United States in 1974. It was «the biggest bank crash in American history». Federal funds lost billions of deposits in that crash, and the fraud inspectors, tracing the threads back, were convinced that the Sindona empire was one immense fraud in which the Vatican Bank was implicated.
Marcinkus and his accomplice, Roberto Calvi, looked on whilst Sindona sank, imagining that they could save Vatican Incorporated and the Banco Ambrosiano, despite the confidence crisis that had followed “Il Crack Sindona”... To that end, they borrowed fabulous sums of money from the big international banks under the moral guarantee of the Vatican, but in the name of phantom banks such as Suprafin SA. With this money, they would reinflate the Ambrosiano and save its credibility on the international market! In return for his precious guarantee, Marcinkus received honourable dividends from the Ambrosiano.
In fact, during the year 1978, «Calvi was walking on a knife-edge». In August, he found himself hard pressed on all sides; his empire, suspected and threatened, was breaking up. It was then that he felt the need for a change of air in South America where Licio Gelli was also in search of a little peace and quiet, while their friend Sindona, in a New York prison, was trembling at the prospect of extradition and being handed over to Italian justice. One point in common held them together: as long as Bishop Marcinkus stayed at Vatican Incorporated, they could breathe. If he were to leave, for each of them it would mean in one way or another a harsh return to reality, to ruin, prison or suicide... or all three evils at once...
To read more
http://www.crc-internet.org/oct84.htm
Other panels in my cartoon essay contained the phrase "two Americas," and featured open racial warfare, a favorite concept and fantasy of liberal RACISTS such as John Edwards....
Other panels dealt with the balkanization of American society and the expressions of political extremism that are INEVITABLY engendered by the liberals' twisted understanding of "multiculturalism." Other panels dealt with the complete eradication of "religious" symbols from public life in America, and their replacement with so-called "secular" symbols (while the secular humanists vehemently and violently denied that their own symbolism itself represents a PARTICULAR RELIGION)...They were able to complete their work by relying upon the tried and true dictum, "RESISTANCE IS FUTILE."
I hope I have added something constructive to this discussion.
Quite a summary.
Was aware of some of it.
WOW.
I hope at least your friends and loved ones have give you your due!
Impressive.
How did you arrive at your creative expressions?
Thanks.
I looked for a printed copy of my cartoon essay, and finally found one buried in my own "archives." (I could open my own library!) I just want to add to my previous post: Another set of panels showed bio-engineering experiments, cloning and eugenics and such; the experiments turned out badly, causing much suffering to the poor souls unfortunate enough to be born alive. Another set of panels showed aircraft slamming into buildings in Washington, DC. Another set of panels depicted diverse rent-a-mob groups running rampant and largely uncontrolled through the streets of the capital after a bitterly contested election!!! Yet another set of panels depicted a wall of separation between Israel and Palestine, comparable to the Berlin Wall and Great Wall of China. Another set of panels showed nuclear experiments and threats emanating from several Asian nations. Finally, another set of panels showed the Catholic Church following the death of John Paul II - they may very well elect a black African Pope next time around! (Such DID happen in the early centuries of the Catholic Church, if I recall my history aacurately!)
So,
do you ascribe all this foreknowledge to great educated guesses,
Holy Spirit,
demons
ET's
or what?
Very impressive.
I don't want to dwell any more on this for awhile, but I'm mindful of that. I know that this is a strong possibility.
The dream I recounted was about power, electrical power, electrons designed by God, but harnessed by men, invented by a man who had questionable spiritual practices. There are two sources of spiritual power, one good and the other evil. I try to avoid the evil to the best of my ability, prayer, tried to find the right church, tried to not do any religious practice that is not right, even in the Christian churches.
I would not want to have any power that comes from below and cooperate with it, but if it hits me unbidden, all I can do is pray that I will be given the strength to resist it and be cleansed from it.
The best way to do that is keep yourself humble and not draw attention to yourself. Humility was not my strong suit in my young life, growing up in this country and all, and I can't say as if I've mastered my pridefulness. Lord knows life has done enough of that for me. I've been taken down "a peg or two" as the saying goes. Maybe more. I can't say that is has been a bad thing overall, but it makes you different from the kind of people you are used to and grew up with.
Others have had to deal with it, too.
You have mail!
Thank you, Quix. I can't engage in dialogue too much at the moment, but I will keep that in mind.
I will say that of late I am a little more open to crossing denominational boundaries than I would have been. I do try to be very careful not to get involved with hateful people or those who try to use religion and bible verses to control anyone. I have had damaging encounters in the past with unscrupulous practitioners of Christianity. Most of us have.
It has to be a level playing field or it won't work. We were given free will. We must accord that to others and treat them with respect.
For me, it is very counter productive and damaging to quibble over doctrine. You do the best you can, but here's everybody bashing people and the enemy is at the gates. In the end people are going to have to help one another.
VERY WELL SAID.
THANKS.
I May have posted the following above. But I'll do it again here as it reminds me of Hanson's above.
CORRECTED 896 (THANKS MOD):
BTTT
The following is a reply to the Hanson msg. It comes from a former ambassador to an Asian country from a European country.
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