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To: hosepipe

"You know, they MUST pay protection, or some very bad things might happen.. Pay up at the proper time and the machine gets "oiled".. DON'T and the "squeeking" could kill you.. or someone.. Followed after a {pause} by YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.?."

I don't think things are quite on that level at this time. For example, when Golitsyn and Angleton ran their "checks" on the CIA (in the 1960s), by seeding pieces of "marked" information through the CIA, they found the Soviet Section of the CIA had been penetrated---and by a number of agents.

This is bad, don't get me wrong, but they did not find the whole CIA had been penetrated. Angleton and Golitsyn were defeated by a combination of Soviet agents throughout Western Intelligence and agents of influence (journalists, etc.) The whole French CIA (something like SDCE, can't remember) was completely penetrated, but there may have been only 5 high ranking penetrations in Britain, etc.

Remember the great invasion of Afghanistan? A CIA plan, obviously not penetrated.

I think most FBI agents are straight, but some are bent, no doubt.

Yes, Hillary is doing some damage with her 293 boxes of files. That is different from sending people around to everyone with death threats.

Remember too, it was worse when Bill was the actual head of all US law enforcement---and will be worse if Hillary is. That is not the case now. For a realistic look at what Hillary was like in power, the murders, etc. read the excellent book:

Hillary’s Secret War, The Clinton Conspiracy to Muzzle Internet Journalists, by Richard Poe, WND Books, 2004

Bad things are happening, but most people are still good and still free. Part of the Hard Left's strategy is to focus on the very powerful, which they can do effectively, in part utilizing FSB (KGB) tactics. The Hard Left is best when they can focus on a small number of targets, That is why they do better in the Senate than the House (in my opinion). That is why they do so well with the super-rich (in my opinion.)

If you want to learn more about these kinds of tactics, I suggest Inside the GRU by Anton Suvorov, former Spetnaz, former GRU, defector to Great Britain.

When thinking about these things, it is important to realize that the Hard Left in the US is not tightly organized at all. Most of what goes on in the Hard Left is "legit", that is to say, they are doing what they say they are. If there was some kind of tight Command & Control, the US gov't would pick it up. Especially since 911, this would be disasterous for them. Mostly, they act independently.

Another thing to realize is that all Russian-based operations are very low-tech by nature. That is because we always beat them at high tech. One thing you can notice is, certain of these people traveling a great deal.

This is a "safer" way to manage communications, assuming there are "good reasons" for the travel, which there always are (work, family ties in another country, etc.) Again, Inside the GRU provides a good guide foe understanding. The same author's book, Inside Spetsnaz, provides a good insight into modern terrorism. On p. 93, he explains the Soviet attitude toward terrorists (this was back in 1987).

By the way, in Inside the GRU, he says there was only one term in the GRU for the Western leftists, who willingly helped the GRU without being paid or blackmailed. "Shit eaters."


143 posted on 06/30/2005 5:50:24 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: strategofr
[ By the way, in Inside the GRU, he says there was only one term in the GRU for the Western leftists, who willingly helped the GRU without being paid or blackmailed. "Shit eaters." ]

LoL.. Thats funny.. True believers of any kind despise traitors and dupes.. even though they use them like rented mules.. Remember a book by Tex Marrs, "The 4th Reich of the Rich".. or something like that.. Was pretty good.. Was kinda like the David Ichys stuff.. Moonbat'ish.. But opened me up to considering America was not immune from world class malfeance..

Today I think there is a very real possibility that America is run (more or less) by a shadow gov't.. Just the presence of "the State Department" with all its power no matter who is President smacks of it.. How much?.. If at all...I dunno.. But John Kerry of all people running against Bush(2004) strikes me as just a little too convenient.. With all his negatives against a war time President.. Its like the demos took a dive.. And if so, directed by whom?..

Makes me think maybe the Pubbies will take a dive next time.. for Hillary.. If they select a RINO they could very well take a dive.. And they will you know, come on admit it, you know they will.. The denyablity is pregnant too.. If there is a shadow gov't it would be smart too.. Satisfy both sides of a polarized populace.. in iterations.. The illusion of vacillating power.. when it isn't vacillating at all..

Too cynical, say you.?. I don't think I'm cynical enough.. Political machines are not new.. here or anywhere.. Made into a "science", and updated, poltical machinery would be hard to stop, sans a revolution.. Even with a revolution, whos to say the machine didn't cause the revolution as a last ditch effort to retain power.. with a remnant.. and organized cadre for the "future"..

144 posted on 06/30/2005 8:45:01 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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