Posted on 09/23/2004 10:05:25 AM PDT by GIJoel
Indeed the Jihad rides a Red Horse.
The author of the original, long article posted here is to be commended in spite of the subsequent "know-it-alls"' disparaging remarks.
I am reminded of a story in the Old Testament where an old man is building an ark while simultaneously preaching to all of the wicked and lost around him. He is warning them to repent among other things.
He was laughed and scoffed at and I am sure it must have been difficult for him to persevere; but persevere he did. Then after the completion of the ark and the realization (by Jehovah God) of universal impenitence of all those around Noah, except for he, himself, his wife, their three sons and their wifes; when it began to rain 40 days and 40 nights, those scoffers stopped scoffing and began "coughing" -- the kind of coughing that accompanies drowning and perishing (and one can deduce where their souls wound up as well). The Bible says that only 8 souls were saved.
Barring judgment day in the here and now; if the strategies and tactics of the Soviet (or Russian) espionage and subversion rings are not reversed, then we shall lament that we did not believe in, and act against, what has transpired before us during these last 70 odd years (and we cannot feign ignorance; we were warned) and chose to do nothing to stop this when and while we had the chance. Not only refused to believe and act, but as in the old testament - scoffed.
It amazes me the power of deception of those destroying us but even more am I amazed (and disgusted) at the capacity for self-delusion among the victims. The victims must have been willing. But as Solomon said several millenia ago, "There is nothing new under the sun."
Bump, need to reread this one.
Thanks much. I have been studying books by Suvorov, the GRU defector, and the book by Pacepa, the head of the Romanian KGB (defector), for years, and I understood the essence of this article to be true.
However, I somehow never read Golitzen or even heard about him until I started posting on FR.
I did not realize that the things I had figured out are public knowlege, and am much relieved by the fact. Albeit, public knowlege strenuously denied. Albeit, information that makes me sick to read.
I am surprised at an error in the article, though I'm sure it was just one of those things. The article says the KGB turned into the SVR. Actually, the KGB was split into two agencies, mirroring the split between the CIA and FBI. The SVR is the organization for inside Russia. The FSB is for outside Russia.
The key question is, what about the new CIA head, Goss? I understand he is a good guy and he is cleaning house. I got one report to the contrary on Strategy Page, but that would be expected, wouldn't it?
Wow! One of the best FR posts I've ever seen! Absolutely great stuff.
Even though I have been reading Golitsyn (admittedly in a jumping-around fashion) this stuff is hugely important to me, placing his own writings in the larger context in a detailed way.
But don't take my word for the value of your post. The proof is the response from all the Putin-ettes!
To exit from my Ping list, just send me one request to that effect, public or private.
"Even the republican party is way to the left of where it was in the cold war..or 1992, or 1998 for that matter.."
The US has problems with the Hard Left, which now controls the Democratic Party, the State Department, 97% or so of the media, almost all universities, the public elementary and secondary schools, for the msot part, and a good percentage of Churches and Synagogues.
I am not a polyanna. But reconsider your view of the Republican Party. The Republican leadership is letting us down badly, the Senate is betraying us to an extent. However, I do not believe the Republican Party is moving to the left, because the rank and file conservatives are, in my opinion, stronger than ever.
In addition, it is harder to maintain a percentage of purity as the ruling party than as a small fringe group, as in the past.
I understand your view, but see things a little more optimistically. We conservatives, in my view, need to coalese nationally and send a message in 2006. Being a resident of Western Pennsylvania (ie next to Ohio), I am going to personally devote myself to trying to form a Middle-Atlantic/Midwest Coalition For a DeWine Primary Defeat (MCDPD).
"For more articles.."
Have saved and will check out in the future. Thanks much!
"So my guess is they have just as many warheads or more than before, and we have much less. I do not know the actual count, and if anybody says they do, they are lying. But I can tell you the RATIO is much worse than before."
Quite interesting. I think the main Russian play today, however, is al Queada and Iran. (Not to say warheads don't matter. Some beleve the Soviets have simply transferred a large number of warheads to China---who in a sense are now playing "bad cop" to Russia's "good cop"; the two seem to switch around on this like a pair of bored NYPD professionals.)
Nonetheless, terror and Iran are Russia's main job now, it seems.
from Iran's Nuclear Option, Casemate, 2005, Al J. Venter, p. 306:
"Moscow continues to deny vehemently all direct U.S. accusations of government-sponsored nuclear and missile transfers to Iran that would be in violation of its international nonproliferation obligations. These assurances by Russia have, however, been repeatedly questioned.
"Further arguments appeared when reports surfaced in early 1998 that the Russian FSB was in fact coordinating clandestine missile technology transfers to the Iranians---allegations denied by Russian officials...Moscow has always declared that no infringements of the MCTR have been committed, but did admit the existence of 'individual contacts' between Iranian and Russian entities."
(I can give a footnote on above quote, on request.)
The Russians re-created terrorism in their image in the 20th century, albeit hiding under some thin disguises, like having the Romainian KGB run Arafat instead of the Soviet KGB (see Red Horizons, Pacepa, former head of Romanian KGB, defector to US).
Then when "the Soviet Union collapsed", Russia became completely anti-terorist, based on the Chechneyan events, which I beleive were at least partially faked, a view widespread in Moscow after the suspicious Chechneyan terror incidents there.
Consider this suspicious account of a Russian mole apparently being tolerated in al Queda.
TERRORISM MONITOR
Volume 2 Issue 1 (January 15, 2004)
A RUSSIAN AGENT AT THE RIGHT HAND OF BIN LADEN?
By Evgenii Novikov
"The Arabic television channel Al Jazeera broadcast an audiotape on December 19, 2003, that was said to be from Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the right hand man of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. In it, Zawahiri claimed that his group was chasing Americans everywhere, including in the United States. This claim helped raise the terror threat level.
"But where is Zawahiri, whose head now carries a price of US$25 million? Recent media reports have said that he is hiding in Iran, though Iranian authorities deny this. Yet it could be that Russian intelligence knows exactly where he is and may even have regular contact with the elusive Egyptian.
Zawahiri as Prisoner
"There are many accounts of Ayman al-Zawahiri published in the press. These stories cover Zawahiri's childhood and his relatives, his study of medicine, his connections to the Muslim Brotherhood, his involvement in the assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, his close relations with Osama bin Laden, and his role in major terrorist attacks against the United States. But there are few authors who mention that Zawahiri spent half a year in close contact with representatives of Russian intelligence while in their custody.
"Significantly, these contacts led to a change in Zawahiri's political orientation. Long talks with Russian intelligence officers "forced a critical change in his lethal planning. ...America, not Egypt, became the target... Freed from Russian jail in May 1997, Dr. Zawahri found refuge in Afghanistan, yoking his fortunes to Mr. bin Laden. [Zawahiri's group] Egyptian Jihad, previously devoted to the narrow purpose of toppling secular rule in Egypt, became instead the biggest component of al Qaeda and a major agent of a global war against America. Dr. Zawahri became Mr. bin Laden's closest confidant and talent scout." [1]
"The story of Zawahiri's Russian experience begins on December 1, 1996, when he was traveling under the alias "Mr. Amin" along with two of his officers--Ahmad Salama Mabruk, who ran Egyptian Jihad's cell in Azerbaijan under the cover of a trading firm called Bavari-C, and Mahmud Hisham al-Hennawi, a militant widely traveled in Asia. The group was accompanied by a Chechen guide. They were trying to enter Russia between the Caspian Sea and the Caucasus Mountains in an effort to discover whether Chechnya could become a base for training militants. It was here that the group was arrested by Russian police for a lack of visas. They were soon handed over to the Federal Security Service, the successor to the KGB.
"When Zawahiri's computer was later discovered in Afghanistan by two journalists, it provided insight into Zawahiri's side of the story. In short, it goes as follows:
"The Russians failed to: 1) find out Zawahiri's real identity and the goals of his visit to Chechnya; 2) read the Arabic texts in his laptop, which would have revealed the nature of his activities; and 3) read the coded messages that he sent from custody to his friends.
Zawahiri's Version Debunked
"Yet based on my own twenty years' experience with Russian intelligence people involved in Arab affairs, these claims simply do not ring true. The Soviet KGB had good--albeit indirect--connections with Islamic fundamentalists, including the Muslim Brotherhood and the Egyptian Jihad. The curriculum of Arab terrorists who studied at Moscow International's Lenin School placed special emphasis on cooperation between Marxists and Islamists. Soviet instructors would encourage Arab terrorists to consider the Muslim Brothers and other Islamic extremists as 'allies in class struggle.'
"Good contacts between the KGB and Islamic fundamentalists existed at the time of the Egyptian Jihad's 1981 assassination of Anwar Sadat, after which Zawahiri was jailed by Egyptian authorities. Since the KGB followed these events very closely and may have even been indirectly involved in the plot, the KGB would have put Zawahiri's name into its records at that time. Therefore, when Zawahiri crossed the KGB's path again, that organization likely would have soon discovered his real identity.
"Additionally, local Islamic organizations flocked to Zawahiri's aid during his detention and trial in such large numbers that the Russians and even Zawahiri's own lawyer were puzzled by the outpouring. [2] This would have been another tip-off to the authorities that they had more than just a mere merchant (Zawahiri's reported claim) in custody. Also, the fact that he was arrested along with a Chechen should have raised additional suspicions.
"Perhaps most difficult to believe from Zawahiri's version is that his captors would not have read the Arabic information contained within his laptop computer. Russian intelligence has probably the best Arabists in the world. One of them--Dr. Evgeny Primakov--headed the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service from December 1991 until January 1996 and made a considerable efforts to bring many talented Arabists into this service. These individuals would have been able not only to read Zawahiri's Arabic text, but also to decode his encrypted messages without any problem.
"Thus, with Zawahiri's true identity and purpose uncovered by the Russians, these authorities would have been faced with several options. One would have been deportation to either Egypt or the United States, with gratitude from those governments for Russian President Yeltsin, burnishing his image as a fighter against terrorism. But apparently the Russians decided not to do this, believing perhaps that their national interest was better served by another alternative.
"One should bear in mind that at the time of Zawahiri's capture, Chechnya was enjoying a period of actual independence from Moscow. The Kremlin was having great difficulty finding "agents of influence" among the Chechen people. At the same time, Moscow knew that representatives of al Qaeda and other foreign Islamic fundamentalists were present in Chechnya and exercised strong influence on the Chechen leaders, especially on the military commanders. It would have been logical, therefore, for the Russians to try to persuade Zawahiri to cooperate with them in directing the activities of Arabs in Chechnya, in getting information about the plans and activities of Chechen leaders, and in influencing the Chechen leadership.
"It may not have been too difficult for Russian officers to persuade Zawahiri to go along with such a plan. The prisoner would have been very frightened by the prospect of being deported to Egypt or remaining jailed in Russia. Furthermore, methods of torture during interrogation used by KGB officers would have truly almost scared Zawahiri to death. Execution very likely was just one threat.
"Once made aware that the KGB knew of his true identity, Zawahiri would have realized that it would be useless to lie further. At a minimum, Zawahiri would have had to agree to cooperation with Russian intelligence to save his life and to buy his freedom. It is possible that the Russians also offered some form of assistance to Zawahiri and al Qaeda. This could have been in the form of explosive technology or other weaponry.
"It is notable that Taliban and al Qaeda militants in Afghanistan received regular re-supplies of Russian arms. The man responsible for these deliveries was Victor Anatolievich Bout, the son of a top KGB officer. His father's connections helped establish Bout in the arms trade, which is linked to the Russian government and particularly to its intelligence services. Bout and his family currently reside in the United Arab Emirates. [3]
"It is also not difficult to imagine that the Russians managed to get some information from Zawahiri about his colleagues that could have been used to blackmail him if he tried to avoid cooperation after his release. With an agreement reached between Zawahiri and the Russians, the authorities would have taken steps to make the Egyptian look "clean" to his Arab comrades and the Chechens. It would not have been difficult for them to stage Zawahiri's trial, at which the judge gave him only a six months' sentence, much of which he had already served.
"A final note: Arabs are still very active among the Chechen militants today, and yet the Russians appear to turn a blind eye toward their infiltration and do not hunt them particularly. Even the most influential among the Arabs, Khattab, may well have been killed by his own people. Arabs have also never been listed as POWs. Perhaps the Russian forces have an order to kill Arabs on the spot: Nobody wants them to reveal unwanted information during interrogations. Thus left alone, the Arabs exercise significant influence over the activities of Chechen commanders according to orders from Zawahiri. Presumably they do so without understanding that they could well be the Trojan horses who actually execute the Kremlin's orders. For example, the Arabs apparently do not encourage Chechen militants to direct any attacks against Russian leaders in Moscow. This could be accomplished simply by refusing to pay for such operations.
"In contrast, the Arabs do seem to encourage the taking of hostages from among the common people, as in the Moscow youth club Nord-Ost incident, thus making it easier for the Kremlin to stoke public anger against "Chechen terrorists." This in turn helps Vladimir Putin garner popular support for his own authoritarian actions as well as those of his former KGB colleagues who now occupy 65 percent of top governmental positions. Dr. Zawahiri may thus be the queen in the Kremlin's chess game not only in Chechnya, but also in Russia's power struggle at the highest levels. If so, it is not likely that the Russians would surrender him merely to help win the global war on terror."
Dr. Novikov is a senior fellow at the Jamestown Foundation.
Notes:
1. "Saga of Dr. Zawahri Sheds Light On the Roots of al Qaeda Terror;" Andrew Higgins and Alan Cullison; The Wall Street Journal, July 2, 2002.
2. Ibid.
3. "International Business of Russian Mafia," Sueddeutsche Zeitung, February 1, 2001.
For a nice insight on how the Russians handle terrorists, see p. 93, Spetnaz, 1987, WW Norton & Co., by Viktor Suvorov, former member of Spetnaz and the GRU, defector to Great Britain
By the way, how is Israel? I am Jewish and have never gone, but am considering. Did you know that a new center opened in the past year or so there to honor Menachim Begin?
"According to KGB theorists, the Islamic world was a petri dish in which we could nurture a virulent strain of America-hate. Islamic cultures had a taste for nationalism, jingoism and victimology."
Thanks for giving us some Pacepa. In my opinion, he is one of the 3 Greatest--along with Golitsyn (Soviet KGB defector) and Suvorov (GRU defector).
"I wonder how you would react if someone began insulting your sincerely held beliefs?"
Before that happened, jb6 would have to tell us what those "beliefs" are. And that aint gonna happen.
"But what I am not ok with is constant ridicule to the point where it becomes a continual flame session."
You handle jb6 well. But allow me, at the risk of sounding presumptious (with apologies in advance if it seems that way) to offer some advice. You are sincere. Jb6 is not. You have important things to accomplish. Jb6 does not. The energy jb6 expends in argument is worthless. Yours is not. So, sometimes, it can be a bad trade to argue with jb6. Never be afraid to ignore anything he says. No one of consequence will credit what jb6 says.
"So, sometimes, it can be a bad trade to argue with jb6."
Same with Poobah.
I'm not a conservative, I'm a radical.. I didn't decide to be a radical its just what I am.. I'm not for conservative change in government, I'm for radical change. You know; radical change, back to the Constitution.. with strong State Rights and all that..
That would take radical change.. not conservative change..
So then, I'm not a conservative.. Conservatives appear to be autistic and oblivious.. Theres many kinds of radicals from anarchists to Socialists.. I'm neither of those.. but I'm radical nevertheless.. So-called conservatives ARE Pollyanna's.. to call them otherwise flys in the face of political reality today.. Don't really like flying in the political air with Moonbats but the Moonbats are not happy either..
The border issue is all about Globalism with the tacit importation of millions people that could care less about national boundary's.. its not an accident.. its on PURPOSE.. Veritably under-written by a majority republican government.. I was on board with the Contract for America but that contract put the republican party asleep..
Count Von Bushula must be a sevengali.. and the BushBats are preying on the Sheeple.. NOT guarding them.. the Bushbats are also preying on the Sheep Dogs TOO.. the Democrats are Scorpions, but the republicans are Bushbats..
What the hell does;
"I'm a Unite'er not a Divide'er", mean anyway.. Bushbats uniteing with Scorpions makes for one hell of a nasty creature.. and I'm not a happy camper.. American politics today is like a "B" class monster movie.. Call me for the revolution when reality sets in, if it ever does..
Secret message for other radicals out there..
"The Bushbat flies at midnight, the Bushbat flies at midnight"..
Bush completed the setup for the destruction of Americas army, we have no defenses worth a spit once Iran nukes our troops with the Russian warheads.
Sharon is bringing Israel to its knees before a vastly inferior army, and Bush is doing the same.
I do not think they are idiots, just globalists. God save us from men who think their ways are better than God. Blessings on you, I suspect soon Israel may be a better place to be than the USA. I suggest strongly to purchase a passport, in case you get the urge to come home in the near future.
"I suggest strongly to purchase a passport, in case you get the urge to come home in the near future."
Maybe a good idea. I already have citizenship.
"The border issue is all about Globalism with the tacit importation of millions people that could care less about national boundary's.. its not an accident.. its on PURPOSE.."
Many millions of conservative Republicans agree with you. Thousands have signed up to be Minutemen. I happen to think we will win the border fight with our leadership.
OK. They sold us out. But we are mobilizing to try to force them to change. Why knock conservatives on this issue?
In my opinion, you are equating some leadership sellouts (which has undoubtably been happening. Is it that surprising when your enemy is the KGB? They get to people. Then again, politics is like that as well. Bush may be owned by a couple of strawberry farmers in Texas, effectively) with banruptcy of the whole conservative movement and the conservative wing of the Republican Party.
Most Conservatives agree with you on the Constitution and are outraged at the Fillibuster Sellout. Instead of going into the hills, or whatever, why not join me in trying to defeat DeWine (one of the Seven Dwarf Fillibuster Sellouts) in the 2006 primary? I think that would send a message.
(1)Thats just the issue.. "Make "them" CHANGE???".. Forcing "them" to change is what you do to the OTHER PARTY not your own party.. I think you've scored BINGO.. Congratulations.. Forcing your own party to change is internecine masturbation.. i.e. circle jerk..
(2)As I said, I'm no conservative.. You seem to have coalesced the issues in this conversation.. Many conservatives are in fact radicals.. I knock conservatives because at least many are NOT conservatives.. but radicals actively converting the United States from a free republic into a democracy, like democrats do.. they are essentially democrats.. Now thats radical.. The current political climate is a war between radicals.. masquerading as conservatives.. republican conservatives and democrat conservatives..
As I said before there are many kinds of radicals.. to remain a "real conservative today" shows oblivion.. In a war only the dead are oblivious.. Everybody alive are radicals.. Its little late to sue for some common sense.. which I think you are doing, way late.. Another thing.. you do realize America is becoming MORE not LESS socialistic don't you.. Only radical change can or will change it.. Radical strategy... like that..
Oh! stop sucking your teeth d;-)~.. there is nothing wrong with the word radical.. see!... radical radical radical.. didn't hurt you a bit did it.. YOU NEED to become MORE radical not ME becomeing more "conservative".. SLAP SLAP you still there.?. WAKE UP..
Proposal; A Radical Republican Caucus.. the democrats say there IS one, there isn't.. there SOooo isn't.. there SHOULD BE one.. I'll join that.. Long live John Birch the glorious Moonbat that he was..
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