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Posted on 09/18/2004 6:56:23 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
Free Republic has a lot of horse people that have found each other on other threads…. And since we all like to talk horses, how about a thread where it is not off-topic, but is THE topic?
A few of us thought it would be interesting and informative to have a chat thread where we can share ideas, ask for input from other horsemen, and talk about our riding and horse-keeping. We have a lot of different kinds of riders and horses, and a lot to share. In the last thread we had a great time and were a great help to each other working through lessons and training, horse lamenesses and illnesses, questions and challenges and always just our stories we like to tell.
I always have a link to this thread on my profile page, so if you have something to say and can't find the thread in latest posts… look for it there and wake the thread up!
I also have a ping list for horse threads that are of interest, and Becky pings everyone most mornings. Let Becky (Paynoattentionmanbehindthecurtain) and/or me know if you would like to be on the ping list. As FreeRepublic is a political site, our politics and other issues will probably blend in…. There are many issues for horsemen that touch politics… land use, animal rights/abuse cases that make the news…. Legislation that might affect horse owners.
So... like the last thread, this is intended as fun place to come and share stories, pictures, questions and chit-chat, unguided and unmoderated and that we come together here as friends. There are lots of ways of doing things and we all have our quirks, tricks and specialties that are neat to learn about.
I wouldn't recommend you get on again at all either until the cause of this is both found and fixed. Outright bucking on a horse of her age and experience is a problem for a pro to deal with, there is something wrong.
It's always important to rule out pain from bad saddle fit, a saddle that pinches or bridges or otherwise causes pain is not a minor issue. The only reason I wonder was from when you said it was immediately after you got on. When the saddle is assured to be good (take her to a saddle shop and have a knowledgeable saddle guy fit the saddle and pad to the horse) then you can turn to the horse and fairly make demands.
Fraid so, too. If I had been packing today she would already be a gonner.
Cindy, I know we've talked about this before, but she needed to be punished, but free lunging her was doing nothing because you couldn't correct her for the bucking while she was free lunging. When you have them on a lunge line the second they start you jerk their head around as hard as you can and say Whoa, then start them again. The more you allow them to buck the better they get at it. Once you establish dominence on the ground you will have a better chance at getting it stopped when you are on her. But, IMO, I'd get rid of her right now, and not feel one bit bad about it, or embarrassed, or defeated. Lots of times those dude string horses are never even broke. They just know to follow another horse.
Becky
You might could try getting her barn buddy out first. Then saddle and mount them both at the same time. Another trick I used was to load my horse into the trailer and take him/her somewhere else to ride. Usually on a trail ride with Frog and friends. Since we rode in so many different places, the horses never had an idea of just where home was. They are then dependent on you to get them back to the trailer and home. : )
I can't argue with selling the mare back, if that is still an option. Let fixing this horse be the project of someone else. I'd have thought there would have been signs of this before today.
Becky
Cindy have you ever rode her away before by herself?
Becky
If it is a tack problem I know I owe it to her to check it out. Right now I'm not feeling too kindly to spending any more money on her. I feel more like serving Cindy horse steak which I know is a bad attitude to have when I don't know the cause yet.
Maybe it is the saddle but I have used it on Okie for 9 months and her this last month.
"Fraid so, too. If I had been packing today she would already be a gonner."
Hair has a cooking fire already light ... horsey-burgers, yummy. : )
But none of that is fixing the problem if it's that she won't go by herself.
Becky
"Cindy have you ever rode her away before by herself?"
That is what I was wondering too.
Yeah... We've all seen herd-bound or barn sour. Most horses will act up at being seperated, my own included. Dance or fidget, try to turn and follow, reluctance or refusal to move away to some degree or another that you can overcome.... But outright feet-off-the-ground bucking is ~way~ more than I would deal with or recommend Cindy try to fix. Sorry Cindy.
That's what I meant about the longe. I have read enough of yalls posts to know punishment/discipline needs to be immediate. I just didn't know what to do with her. Pulling up her head wasn't effective.
Longing 30 minutes afterwards might have worked if I had been using it for control. I was slipping in mus all over the place and upset and just making her run. It wasn't an exercise so it seemed best for me to stop since I had already decided to kill her:')
Well, the saddle fitting Okie doesn't make it fit her, but if you have ridden it before with her and not noticed back pain before after riding, that is probably not the cause of today. I thought the reaction was more immediate until you told the whole scenario.
It's so funny what horses have to be taught. When I first got Rusty, he had never been rode WITH other horses. The first time I rode him with others it was a pretty large group, like 8 of us. Everytime a horse went passed him, he either tried to kick or buck. I think have other horses around with riders on them made him nervous.
So that whole day, I had people pass me over and over, getting closer and closer to him as they passed. He finally figured out it was OK. But that was my first experience with the opposite of herd bound:)
Becky
I think my 30 days up. The owner a fair person though. I'm not sure where we will go with this but I would like to send her back and trade her. This is her supplier so it might be an option. Is that a defeatist attitude? Maybe tomorrow I'll look at it differently. I know all horses can buck under the right circumstances but I don't want a loose cannon.
Becky, we did find out her sire was a buckskin. :) No wonder, she has a dorsel stripe. I just wish, we would have bought her dam. She was in the same sale, and was bred back, to the same stud. I still might try and find out who bought her, and try and get her. She went cheap too.
Cindy, I am so sorry, to hear about your fall. I hope you are not too sore.
I have had her want to turn to the barn before but nothing like this.
She was supposed to be out of the stall the 15 but still in. I put her in the pasture today and the owner going to remind the worker.
Not they don't. not like this. And of course you don't want it. Bay knows how to buck in play, as you saw in my picture from last night, but I could guaruntee you that he may spook, he may be stubborn or try to see if he can go his own way with a new rider, but throwing the rider is not an idea he'd ever think of. Riding horses with even a moderate amount of training and you should ~never~ expect that.
At this point, I'd really hope to find you the older, possibly boring trail horse in his teens. You deserve a nice safe bomb-proof ride now that has seen it all already! That is what I am looking for for ecurbh.
Once you come off a bucking horse, it would be hard to discipline them for that without getting back on. And I don't think you needed to do that in this case.
The lunging in this incident was not punishment for that bucking. But you just should not let them buck when lunging. Once they catch on that bucking is unacceptable while lunging, they will not be as inclined to buck when you ride. You did say she was kicking up while you were lunging right? Is there some way to make her stop immediately from doing that when you free lunge???
Becky
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