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To: Tamar1973; Bobby777; RnMomof7; xzins
Sin is sin. Adulter is a sin, so is eating pork. The only difference is that Yeshua died so we wouldn't have to bear being seperated from G-d for eternity because of sin. However, Yeshua's great and mighty sacrifice is NOT a license in indulgence of sin. Such an attitude mocks Yeshua.

eating pork is not a sin

Matthew 15 Clean and Unclean 1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!" 3Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, 'Honor your father and mother'[1] and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'[2] 5But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,' 6he is not to 'honor his father[3] ' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8" 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'[4] " 10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' " 12Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?" 13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides.[5] If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit." 15Peter said, "Explain the parable to us." 16"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' "

Im starting to get the impression that while you profess a faith to Yeshua - you still hold the Torah over the NT - which is fine if youre a Messianic Jew - but understand that in doing so, you are mocking these very words of Yeshua himself, diminishing what He has commanded of us through faith - not by the obedience of law

......which begs - why do you mock the Christ ?

53 posted on 08/05/2004 12:19:57 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911
Matthew 15 1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"

This is what Yeshua was talking about. The pharisee's were criticizing Yeshua's disciples because they didn't ritually wash their hands before eating. The discourse had NOTHING to do with Kashrut/kosher but the the 'traditions of the elders' which the pharisees piled on top of Torah.

Yeshua wanted the people to see Torah, not man made rules.

The typical Christian interpretation of this text is an other example of the anti-nomian bait and switch to try to make it look like Yeshua died so we could eat BBQ pork, which is absurd.

Im starting to get the impression that while you profess a faith to Yeshua - you still hold the Torah over the NT - which is fine if youre a Messianic Jew - but understand that in doing so, you are mocking these very words of Yeshua himself, diminishing what He has commanded of us through faith - not by the obedience of law

Eating pork is not an act of faith. It's a slap in the face to Torah. Yeshua NEVER said it was OK for us to disobey the law, neither did His disciples but anti-nomians blaspheme Him by claiming that we can break Torah ON PURPOSE and that Yeshua is pleased because of our "faith".

......which begs - why do you mock the Christ ?

Those who twist His words to induce Christians to flagrantly violate Torah are the blasphemers and mockers of Moshiach.

63 posted on 08/05/2004 3:45:59 PM PDT by Tamar1973 ("He who is compassionate to the cruel, ends up being cruel to the compassionate." Chazal)
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