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Freeing the Unfree? Sherman on Equality
09 June 2004 | stainlessbanner

Posted on 06/09/2004 6:23:32 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

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1 posted on 06/09/2004 6:23:33 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Fiddlstix; Southron Patriot; PeaRidge; RebelBanker; PistolPaknMama; Gianni; azhenfud; annyokie; ...

For your consideration


2 posted on 06/09/2004 6:25:42 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: *dixie_list

filing


3 posted on 06/09/2004 6:26:09 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

BTTT


4 posted on 06/09/2004 6:27:37 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: stainlessbanner
Please, please get it right. It's properly: Sherman [*SPIT*].

Thank you. Maybe one day some yankee family will return the silverware.

5 posted on 06/09/2004 6:34:37 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) Men die by the calendar, but nations die by their character. - John Armor, 5 Jun 2004 (||)
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To: stainlessbanner

Thank you for continuing to expose Victor Davis Hansen's class warfare against the South and its history.

Exposing historical revisionists of his ilk is commendable work.


6 posted on 06/09/2004 6:44:54 AM PDT by PeaRidge (Lincoln would tolerate slavery but not competition for his business partners in the North)
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To: Constitution Day; 4ConservativeJustices; PeaRidge; GOPcapitalist; Ohioan
For reference: "A Class War"
7 posted on 06/09/2004 6:45:31 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
Your very telling quote.......

Sherman: "I am satisfied...that the problem of this war consists in the awful fact that the present class of men who rule the South must be killed outright rather than in the conquest of territory."

He very well knew that both before and after this comment, Confederate officials were seeking peace. Since February of 1861, the South had been seeking peaceful terms. This man was living in a fantasy world of "fight until they are exterminated" tactics.

Attila, Nebuchadnezzar, World War II Ustashi commander, General Dragutin Rumler had much more realistic motivations than Sherman.
8 posted on 06/09/2004 7:20:00 AM PDT by PeaRidge (Lincoln would tolerate slavery but not competition for his business partners in the North)
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To: stainlessbanner
Hansen is CORRECT about at least one thing. it WAS a class warfare thing.

where he makes his FATAL error is that the WBTS was a PEASANT REVOLT of poor southerners (led by a handful of educated/experienced men like Davis & Lee)against the monied elitists of the northern states.

THAT is the MAIN REASON we didn't win our freedom, as PEASANT REVOLTS seldom, if ever, win against the BETTER ARMED/SUPPLIED/TRAINED national military forces. (offhand the only half-sucessful peasant revolt ,that i can think of, was the French Revolution.)

btw, had we won our war against the northern elites, the dixie plantation elites (many of whom had collaborated with the bluebellies!) might well have been NEXT on the dixie enemies list.

free dixie,sw

9 posted on 06/09/2004 8:06:55 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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There are a number of good quotes in this piece, perhaps too many. I think the case is pretty clear Sherman was not "freeing the unfree."

These innacurrate versions of history must not go unchecked.

10 posted on 06/09/2004 8:16:56 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stand watie

That was a great essay....incredible actually.


11 posted on 06/09/2004 8:18:53 AM PDT by wardaddy (This is it. We either win and prevail or we lose and get tossed into that dustbin W mentioned!)
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To: stainlessbanner

BTTT...above was for you!


12 posted on 06/09/2004 8:20:48 AM PDT by wardaddy (This is it. We either win and prevail or we lose and get tossed into that dustbin W mentioned!)
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To: stainlessbanner
in point of fact, NONE of the WBTS from the damnyankee point of view, was about FREEING ANYONE.

it was about just TWO things:

1. centralizing power in the hands of the radicals of the lincoln regime AND

2.amassing as much MONEY as possible in the shortest amount of time possible.

that's ALL, $$$$$$ & POWER for the northeastern elitists. all the other stuff is FICTION, popularly agreed on by the TYRANTS & war criminals.

free dixie,sw

13 posted on 06/09/2004 8:25:11 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stainlessbanner
You pinged me on this, so I will respond.

Thank you for posting this, although as an Ohioan I cringe at my fellow Ohioan Sherman's methods, which tended to reverse the benefits of two or three centuries of civilizing influences on Western Man.

My original comments on the Hansen thread were provoked because he seemed to be trying to suggest that Ohio farm boys of that era had Communist values. That is simply not true. Most were fighting to preserve the Union, though doubtless some were in it, in the mistaken notion that often pops into young minds, that war could be fun and adventure; very few were involved in Quixotic notions of social equality.

Hansen would not have written the piece in the earlier thread if he did not have an agenda other than the pursuit of history for its own sake. He is no isolated case, of course. Two generations of American College graduates have been educated in a stilted curriculum which suggests not only a form of class warfare, but the active pursuit of unreality (the social equality of man) as a primary goal justifying collective action. Now admittedly, American Leftists did not invent such an agenda; evidence of the compulsion predates them. But they certainly do illustrate that compulsion to a very marked degree. (See Compulsion For Uniformity, for an historic perspective.)

It is perhaps a tad less relevant to the Cult of Equality, but not to some of Hansen's implied errors, to read what the great, self-taught, Negro educator, Booker T. Washington, had to say about the relations of the races in the Old South--particularly between the Negro and the Southern Planter class, whom Hansen appears to disparage: Address To Atlanta Exposition, 1895. Washington was a voice for constructive progress. Hansen? He is playing the Leftist game.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

14 posted on 06/09/2004 10:31:19 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
I'll go for eyewitness accounts, source documentation, and period literature for the facts anytime of contemporary agendas. The sources provided in the piece are certainly a small fraction of the many resources available.

Union farm boys and Southern farm boys probably had more in common than their big city, industrial counterparts. Airing dirty laundry is not the purpose of this piece, my intent was only to counter specious claims of a war of equality and roll back the two generations of socialist educational reform that you mention.

Engaging in alternate history is a dangerous behavior. A small cadre of partisians, conservatives, and patriots will keep the true history of America in check, and thus preserve our future.

15 posted on 06/09/2004 10:54:57 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Ohioan

BTW: I linked the Return Of The Gods Web Site on my profile.


16 posted on 06/09/2004 10:55:43 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

Thanks!


17 posted on 06/09/2004 11:02:31 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Bedford Forrest

You might be interested in this one.


19 posted on 06/17/2004 7:37:44 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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Excellent essay. Just think of the lot of them - Sherman the manic depressive killer and vandal, ravaging innocent civilians as if to make up for his endless failures at Vicksburg; Grant the besotted hollow man, shovelling his own troops again and again into the fiery furnace because after all, Mr. Lincoln would always approve; runty Phil Sheridan, how many Indians were slaughtered by the little monster because of his rage that his last name wasn't Stuart or Morgan or Forrest or Mosby; Secretary Seward, another power mad runt with all sorts of delusional notions about the proper extent of our borders, inter alia; - Edwin M. Stanton, a common thug whose crimes would make Felix Dzherzhinsky blush with envy; and of course, the proto fascist himself, who drenched the country in blood without warrant. An amazing crew, really, the absolute dregs in every sense.

On Hanson, it is a disappointment to see that on a subject in which we are well grounded, he has shown himself to be just another heavy left organ grinder with a monkey. Aside from a few of his web columns, I have read only two of his longer essays - one about an uncle who died on Iwo Jima. The point is, his credibility has been shot. He will still peddle his books, but not to anyone slightly familiar with the Recent Unpleasantness. Finally, I can't imagine why a fifth generation grape farmer in the San Joaquin Valley would be so vitriolic about the peculiar institution - he almost seems to be guilty about it himself. . . . .

20 posted on 06/17/2004 11:22:15 PM PDT by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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