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To: razoroccam
All three religions based on the old testament have caused humanity a lot of grief.

That is like saying humans have caused a lot of grief because there are some other species that are extinct as a result. We are who we are. I believe we commonly value civilization. Civilizations are always based on something spiritual that binds the folks together. Civilizations achieve things. When civilizations clash, there is war; this is in the nature of humans.

The problem is that any religion that says "my way is the only way" will lead to conflict.

You are going to get conflict. It is unavoidable. The modern innovation is to create a secular state based in a culture. Religious officials are not afforded state power by dint of their offices.

15 posted on 05/18/2004 9:18:33 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: NutCrackerBoy; razoroccam

Good reply.

Additionally, razo seems to be counting only "wars" as a sign of wickedness. They are not (indeed, sometimes are very good and honorable). What's the best indicator of the humanity of any given people or culture or religion is HOW THEY TREAT THEIR OWN PEOPLE AND OTHERS GENERALLY on an every-day basis. Moslem countries are horribly infamous for incredible cruelty in the *absence* of war.

Of course, this stems from their "leader", who was no sweetheart and didn't say things much nicer, either. And therein lies the difference - look at the root of the religion. I challenge any1 to find Christ was anything but a gentle, "non-judgemental" (yet firm and defiant) teacher.


17 posted on 05/18/2004 9:56:58 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common Sense is an Uncommon Virtue)
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