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American Idol Outrage: Your Vote Doesn't Count - A Seriously Flawed Voting System
Broadcasting & Cable ^ | May 18, 2004 | Deborah Starr Seibel

Posted on 05/16/2004 10:10:24 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War

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To: CWOJackson
No problem.

I didn't expect anyone but the hardcore political fanatics here to remember the minutiae of the last presidential election.

I think that the only people who are still holding onto that are inconsolable leftists and the former staff of VP Al Gore.

41 posted on 05/16/2004 11:25:39 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (I'll stop bellyaching when Stephen King stops writing crappy screenplays!)
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To: Dont Mention the War

If they had seperate phone lines for each person and only two people were left, wouldn't this always result in a near tie every time.

I.e. if the phone lines are saturated with calls, both lines would be receiving calls at the highest rate possible. So, it should always be a tie, plus or minus a small error.


42 posted on 05/16/2004 11:27:18 PM PDT by edeal
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To: Swordmaker
As I've said, the wife and I have been enjoying this. We've talked about how the voting could be made more honest. I believe the only fair way would be one person one vote but the networks wouldn't allow that...they like to brag about how many votes they got.

Voting for who you wanted gone might be more problematic. I have no doubt that the cell phone (text messaging) teenie booper crowd is by far the largest voting block. Look at who doesn't get kicked off...people who would appeal to teenie boopers.

43 posted on 05/16/2004 11:28:05 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
I guess the network is lying to coverup for the conspiracy.

The network steadfastly refuses to release vote numbers. Only the final vote between the last two survivors is released.

5,000 votes for the two lower singers is absurd given the fact that statistical analysis shows that ONE voter can vote 500 times in that two hour period in ideal conditions. 5,000,000 I might believe. 5,000, never!

44 posted on 05/16/2004 11:35:45 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: Swordmaker

Pardon me...it was 5,000,000 each.


45 posted on 05/16/2004 11:37:18 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: edeal
I.e. if the phone lines are saturated with calls, both lines would be receiving calls at the highest rate possible. So, it should always be a tie, plus or minus a small error.

Exactly. That is what happened last year in the Aiken/Studdard showdown. The phone system reached capacity and minor differences in the recording time of the canned response allowed Ruben's number to accept slightly more calls.

46 posted on 05/16/2004 11:38:13 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: CWOJackson
Voting for who you wanted gone might be more problematic. I have no doubt that the cell phone (text messaging) teenie booper crowd is by far the largest voting block. Look at who doesn't get kicked off...people who would appeal to teenie boopers.

Its a lot more honest than voting for retention. No singer can be retained because of a cult following. Only at the last, when it is down to the last two, should the vote be for the one you want to be the idol. The rest should be negative votes. Weakest link type.

47 posted on 05/16/2004 11:41:17 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: Swordmaker

All the cult followings (people who will end up buying CDs) is switch from voting for their choice to voting to eliminate whoever they perceive as the biggest threat to their choice...the net result wouldn't change that much.


48 posted on 05/16/2004 11:45:52 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
Pardon me...it was 5,000,000 each.

Thank you. Even the low 1.3 million votes from Hawaii you report could definately make the difference between who went and who stayed.

Barrino, DeGarmo and London sang well last week... Trias did not. All three of the judges found she lacked pitch and feeling in what she sang. Kareokeville. She, by rights, should have gone... not La Toya London, who sang with feeling, on key, and creatively.

DeGarmo is very young and does not have an emotional feel for what she sings... she sings the notes well but puts no feeling into them. John Stevens suffered from the same lack of emotional knowledge of what he was singing. Give them both some seasoning and they will be fabulous singers.

I predicted before the results show that London would go... based on my analysis of the flawed voting for favorites. I figured there would be a racial impact as the vote for the two black divas would be split... with Barrino, the more accomplished and flamboyant of the two getting the lion share. I figured Hawaii would vote for its favorite daughter, and that a large white vote would go to the last white singer left. I was right. I wasn't happy about it. London and Barrino were and are the best two singers in this competition.

This is what you get when people vote for their favorite, rather than voting for the worst singer.

Next week, the honest musicians will vote Barrino... and the split black vote will re-unite and join with her as well. The balance of the country will counter weight the Hawaii vote and Jasmine Trias will be voted off . That being said, this ex-professional musician, predicts that it will be a DeGarmo/Barrino shoot off at the last... with Fantasia Barrino taking it.

49 posted on 05/17/2004 12:07:23 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: CWOJackson
. . . is switch from voting for their choice to voting to eliminate whoever they perceive as the biggest threat to their choice...the net result wouldn't change that much.

The anti-retention vote would be more diffuse. People would have 11 contestants at first to dilute such a concentrated vote. Each week it would drop and get more problematic, but it would make it much more difficult to spoof the results. I think the ONE vote option is best but probably not economical or technically possible using phones. It could work on the internet... Except I doubt that even the internet could handle that much traffic flowing into one website... The bandwidth would be astronomic.

50 posted on 05/17/2004 12:12:57 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: Swordmaker
The problem I see for Barrino is that she is an either/or performer. You either really like her or really dislike her, and with that Macy Gray nasal thing is like fingernails on a chalkboard to many.

While Trias is not a strong singer, the big thing she has going for her is the Filipino community which is where I believe her strong support is coming from. They are in love with her and are pretty determined people when they get their interest up. It has gotten so bad that the different Manila news agencies have reporters in California and Hawaii tracking her (and yes, the network has said Manila isn't voting). A Filipino newspaper here in Seattle is encouraging everyone to vote for her.

I think that voting power, which Simon is probably responsible for, will not just take her to the final two, it could win it for her...particularly when black voters leave in disgust and it becomes a teenie bopper shoot out.

I know a lot of people will thing that the Filipino community (it's big across the nation) is wrong but one thing I do know about them...they will buy her CDs.

The whole thing about this show is it isn't professionals picking the winner...it's people at home.

51 posted on 05/17/2004 12:24:30 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Swordmaker

Oh, regarding the local Filipino newspaper. I wouldn't doubt that the same thing is happening in Filipino community centers and newspaper across the nation.


52 posted on 05/17/2004 12:26:46 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

Should be interesting to see which of our predictions is right.

Nice talking to you.


53 posted on 05/17/2004 12:39:21 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: Swordmaker
Take care. I think it will be fun to watch.

By the way, I thought LaToya was hands down the best and wish she had won.

54 posted on 05/17/2004 12:40:55 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

I can't stand Fantasia either.


55 posted on 05/17/2004 1:09:43 AM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: texasflower
Actually, I believe I gave Fantasia too much credit. It's not just her voice that is either or but also her personality; you either love or hate.

Her personality also seems to be grating to many people, yet her interaction with the other contestants makes it appear that they like her a lot.

I personally believe she could be the next to go.

56 posted on 05/17/2004 1:12:57 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

Fantasia gets on my nerves. Her speaking voice grates on my nerves and the way she walks bugs me.

I know this is very shallow of me, but she isn't ladylike enough for my tastes.

Too streetwise and mean looking. Her voice is okay, but she just looks too much like a home girl.

Plus, I guess I haven't gotten over the loss of that adorable George Huff.


57 posted on 05/17/2004 1:21:28 AM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: texasflower
LOL!

Personality wise George was definately one of my favorites. I enjoyed his singing but I'm not sure I would buy his music.

I was disappointed with many of his performances, particularly on the so-called big band night...which had little to do with big band music. One of my favorite genre is the torchlight standards; in which instance I actually enjoyed Trias. I would by a CD of her's if she was doing the standards but somehow I don't think she will.

58 posted on 05/17/2004 1:26:46 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
George had strained his vocal cords, so the last three weeks or so he sounded really different.

I think his biggest problem though, was that he was trying so hard to please the guest musicians.

They would advise him to do something that just wasn't right for him.

Elton John and Barry Manilow didn't do George any favors with their advice in my opinion. He wanted to please them so he did stuff that just wasn't his style.

Jasmine and Diana are close to my daughter's ages so I have a bit of "mom affection" for them.

My oldest daughter is 18 and my youngest is 16, so Jazzie and Diana are just little kids to me!
59 posted on 05/17/2004 1:35:44 AM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: Palladin

Personally, I'll know the thing is fixed if Jasmine wins.


60 posted on 05/17/2004 1:43:43 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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