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Are today's gas prices really making anyone go broke?
Personal Research | unpublished | Don Simmons

Posted on 04/02/2004 5:05:36 PM PST by Don Simmons

OK - so now the average price of a gallon of gas is up to $1.75. If you pay attention to our beloved "media", you'd think we were all on the brink of poverty because of higher prices at the pump.

However, if you break it down, the fact is that the cost is probably very, VERY absorbable by average Joe American.

Before anyone even thinks about it - yes...I know there are people who are crunched a lot more than others. There are always exceptions - and the comparison I'm about to make can be refuted and disproven with individual examples also.

Don't bother - please take this at face value. It is a comparison -- it's not a rule of law.

OK, let's say you average driving 1,500 miles monthly. That's more than most people and less than some.

Now, let's say your car averages 20 miles per gallon. Again, more than some and less than others.

1,500 miles divided by 20 mpg equals 75 gallons.

So, on average, you use 75 gallons a month. Fair?

OK...

If the price of a gallon were back down to around $1.50, (Yeah, yeah - it should be lower. blah blah blah...it ain't, so deal with it!), I doubt we'd be hearing all this pissing, moaning and whining.

ANYWAY....that's 25 cents less per gallon multiplied by that 75 gallons.

75 X .25 = 18.75

You save $18.75 a month.

For most people -- BIG FRIGGIN' DEAL!!!!!

If that $18.75 breaks your bank, the price of gas is the least of your worries, I say.

It might not be a bad idea for you to.......(are you ready for this?).......CUT BACK!!!!!

LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS!!!!! You probably spend twice that $18.75 - or more - every month swilling cheap beer.

Lord have mercy on my hard, callous soul for telling it like it is.

Am I alone in my thinking here, or can I get an "Amen"?


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To: 7.62 x 51mm
A gallon of paint is around 20 dollars.
A gallon of good scotch is around 100 dollars
Maybe we should pay 50 dollars a gallon and call it a bargain.
81 posted on 04/03/2004 7:02:46 AM PST by chuckwalla (o the lunacy, the insanity these days)
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To: stumpy
In 1990 I went broke in the trucking business when diesel was $1.25 (my truck and trailer only got 4 miles to the gallon).

You didn't take econ 101 did you? You're supposed to instantly raise your prices, even daily or hourly if you have to, to pass those costs on to your customers...How much simpler could it be.< /sarcasm >

82 posted on 04/03/2004 7:04:10 AM PST by lewislynn (Free traders know it isn't , they just believe cheap popcorn makers raises their living standards.)
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To: chuckwalla
Like I said, you don't know what you are talking about.

There is enough oil for another two hundred years of current usage. However by that time we will no longer be using gasoline engines.

Got any facts to back this up? I doubt it, as even the experts don't really know what the viable reserves are.

What you don't know, or are ignoring, is that oil companies can't make any money on oil if the prices are at $20 or there about. So they cut back on exploration of new fields, they cut back on just about all aspects of production. Then the supply starts to get thin, and what happens? Demand starts to out do supply. Then you get escalating prices and when the price gets high enough, exploration and production begins again. That is what is happening right now as we speak in the oil service industry.

You really didn't answer the questions though. I'm not suprised. It is much easier to whine about conspiracies to take the little mans money than it is to look at the facts.

Try to answer this question please. How much tax do you pay on a gallon of regular unleaded? Both Federal and State tax please.

83 posted on 04/03/2004 7:05:27 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Gas was higher in 1960.

In 1960 you went to "the service station".

You didn't have to get out of your car. You got ALL your windows washed, your oil, water, windshield washer fluid and the air in your tires checked. The attendant (sometimes more than one) took your money then brought you the change while you pointed to the spots on the windows he missed....for about $0.25 cents (when there wasn't a gas war) as I recall.

84 posted on 04/03/2004 7:17:23 AM PST by lewislynn (Free traders know it isn't , they just believe cheap popcorn makers raises their living standards.)
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To: lewislynn
In 2004 you get a little much needed exercise.

In 2004 those very same attendants are inside collecting money for your sodas, your fresh hot coffee, etc.

That service did not merit the extra cost.

BTW, I can get full service here, and it's still cheaper than in 1960.
85 posted on 04/03/2004 7:19:38 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Pátria, pero sin amo.)
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To: Double Tap
Your cynicism is getting in the way of your perception.
You didn't answer my questions either?
But I did answer your question you just chose not to see it.

Then the supply starts to get thin.

How does that happen?

It's much easier to whine about conspiracies than to look at the facts.

My my you are sarcastic aren't you.
Is your opinion the only valid one?
Did I say it was only oil co. greed? No I didn't did I.
The countries with the oil stick it to us as well.
If we had a gov that raised tariffs on all goods to those countries the same amount they raise oil they probably wouldn't raise oil so easily.

Check oil co profits and see if they are just getting by.

Tax here is 44 cents a gallon but that is the same when gas was $1.00 a gallon a while ago so what does that prove?
86 posted on 04/03/2004 7:19:46 AM PST by chuckwalla (o the lunacy, the insanity these days)
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To: Celtic Conservative
My guess is that the "cheaters" will probably do it again.

Isn't it funny? We all know we're dealing with cheaters but few here believe WE are being cheated.

87 posted on 04/03/2004 7:20:50 AM PST by lewislynn (Free traders know it isn't , they just believe cheap popcorn makers raises their living standards.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
BTW, I can get full service here, and it's still cheaper than in 1960.

It's supposed to be, there's more production now.

In 2004 those very same attendants are inside collecting money for your sodas, your fresh hot coffee, etc.

Then why can't they come out and check my oil?

88 posted on 04/03/2004 7:27:32 AM PST by lewislynn (Free traders know it isn't , they just believe cheap popcorn makers raises their living standards.)
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To: Don Simmons
Amen Bro. If the price of gas goes a bit higher maybe we can convince the bleeders out there to drill in ANWR.

When I first started to drive there was the Carter years. The price of gas was around $.85/gal and the high for a while was about $1.29 and some places even higher, if you could get it. When I was in college my father gave me $100 a month for necessities (books, beer, broads, you know) and I worked and made about $1.80 and hour. Gas was a major investment as I had a girl about 160 miles away. I used to advertise for riders or ride with others to save money. Imagine that, conservation.
89 posted on 04/03/2004 7:29:38 AM PST by Final Authority
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To: Don Simmons
We keep hearing, or reading, about how a gallon of gasoline, adjusted for inflation, is about the same as it was (name a number) years ago. Here's an actual adjusted figure ... circa 1970; at .30 cents a gallon (29.9 cents) this gas would cost $1.40 a gallon today.
90 posted on 04/03/2004 7:35:10 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Gas was higher in 1960.

Someone earning minimum wage in 1960 ($1.00 an hr) paid 25% of an hours pay for a gallon of gas (plus they got full serve).

Someone today earning minimum wage ($5.15 an hr) pays 33%+ of an hours pay for a gallon of gas and NO service.

I used minimum wage because it's the only wage factor available to me.

91 posted on 04/03/2004 7:58:40 AM PST by lewislynn (Free traders know it isn't , they just believe cheap popcorn makers raises their living standards.)
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To: chuckwalla
OPEC raised prices two days ago.

Bwahahahahahaha!!! Your lack of knowledge is showing again. OPEC doesn't set prices. The commodities market does. Got any other clueless statements?

92 posted on 04/03/2004 8:05:24 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: lewislynn; jslade
real people don't adjust pruices for inflation and remember the bad old days of the 70s. Real people remeber 75 days ago when the price was 75 cents less. Read a couple of the comments here about what has happened to some real people.

You need to get your noses out of the text books. In a real market with real competition, the companies would eat some of the increased costs and lower profit so that their competitiors don't take their customers. In a real market their wouldn't be international cabals, limited produtcion capability, and monopoly conditions on product. Go back to your ivory towers and pretend everything is just natural the way the book intended.

93 posted on 04/03/2004 8:11:43 AM PST by breakem
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To: breakem
in a real site I would be able to spell.
94 posted on 04/03/2004 8:12:43 AM PST by breakem
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To: jslade
re 63, you lose!
95 posted on 04/03/2004 8:13:45 AM PST by breakem
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To: chuckwalla
Your cynicism is getting in the way of your perception.

HUH??? I'm not the one crying about oil prices and claiming conspiracies, you are. Where the hell is your head?

You didn't answer my questions either?

You haven't asked any that made any sense.

But I did answer your question you just chose not to see it.

No, you continue to make idiotic statements that are not based in fact.

Is your opinion the only valid one?

No, but your lack of knowledge invalidates yours.

Check oil co profits and see if they are just getting by.

I don't have to check, I know. Oil companies usually deal in profits in the single digits as far as profits go. In other words, Exxon may have made a profit of $1,000,000,000 (hypothetical), but as a precentage to their cost, it would be in the 1 to 5% range. That is operating on a slim margin.

Tax here is 44 cents a gallon but that is the same when gas was $1.00 a gallon a while ago so what does that prove?

It proves that the government is making more profit off of a barrel of oil than the companies that explored for it, produced it, refined it and sell it. But that is OK with a socialist such as yourself, right?

96 posted on 04/03/2004 8:17:23 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: Don Simmons
Not me. And I drive 50 miles round trip every day.

-- Joe
97 posted on 04/03/2004 8:19:16 AM PST by Joe Republc
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To: Don Simmons
I just paid $80 to fill the tank yesterday, and I realize in retrospect was that the only thing that bothered me was that the flow rate of the pump was so slow that it took seemingly forever to fill. $0.13 fuel cost per mile for safe, comfortable, fast, reliable transportation from when and where I happen to want to leave, to where I want to arrive, by whatever route I prefer, is an incredibly good deal.

It would be a good deal at double the cost. (Not that I advocate a Kerry-style gas tax.)
98 posted on 04/03/2004 8:19:28 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Don Simmons
People will pay an extra $600 for an upgraded car stereo that will add $15 a mon th to their car payment, but when gas prices tick up enough to cost them an extra $15 per month, they wet the bed.
99 posted on 04/03/2004 8:22:38 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: breakem
BINGO!!

I feed 2 vehicles(Dad & Mom mobiles). These are in the "Bills" spreadsheet split to pay periods(1st/15th). Speadsheet auto-calculates $$$ per pay period based on vehicles mpgs, miles driven/half month, and the number keyed in for price of fuel. I ALWAYS KEEP THE FUEL PRICE ten cents HIGHER per gallon than actual to prevent "surprises"(i.e. Be prepared for oil company profit-harvests).

Example: my October 03 price was at $1.90. With our "overhead", a ten cent/gallon swing gives about a $10/month swing.

The other option(?) is to trade safety(big, heavy, vehicle) for economy(light, small, usually loser in accidents).

100 posted on 04/03/2004 8:51:34 AM PST by Johnny Crab
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