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To: Chris Talk
"Interestingly enough, seriously religious people are very rarely abducted. I mean REALLY religious, not just people who go to church...
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I think you got something there. So, is it possible these beings are agents of satan?

Since my dream, I have also been in contact with messengers of the Lord since last May and June. One of messengers spoke to me and told me I have no need to worry. The other two messengers were I believe to be monks dating back to the time of Christ. I somehow just looked at them but was afraid of getting blinded for they had a message to reveal to me. Something about Israel and Palestine signing a covenantt which is the "false peace process". They told me all this must come to pass and to observe carefully for these are truly the sign of the times. Nobody could see them except me. They were standing next to Bush Jr. and Powell and other diplomats. They were so small in body frame especially wearing gunnysacks as garb.
224 posted on 02/11/2004 7:24:24 PM PST by goldilucky
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To: goldilucky
Yes, that is standard Dispensational interpretation of Bible prophecy, the false peace, there are Bible texts that are used to predict that in some detail. Visit any conservative or Southern Baptist evangelical minister and ask about the false peace of Antichrist, or the 7 year Tribulation. Jerry Falwell would be a well known example of such a believer, as is Tim La Haye, Pat Robertson...

228 posted on 02/11/2004 7:33:10 PM PST by Chris Talk (What Earth now is, Mars once was. What Mars now is, Earth will become.)
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To: goldilucky
So, is it possible these beings are agents of satan?

YES!

We battle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, powers, and rulers of darkness (Eph. 6:12). There is an unseen spiritual struggle and it has been going on since the Rebellion of Lucifer and continues today. It would not be wise to forget such matters! Test the spirits! "(2)Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (3)And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is in the world" (1 John 1:2,3).

234 posted on 02/11/2004 8:00:19 PM PST by realpatriot71 (It's time to build a freakin' wall!)
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To: goldilucky
Don't discount the doctrines regarding familiar spirits too lightly.

Antediluvian demons are described in the Old Testament in Gen 6 as having offspring with women, of bodily form, producing half angelic, half human species. This continued for 120 years upon which time the Great Flood occured, purifying the species once again. The first civilization began with Adam and ended with the Flood and a small group of believers.

The post Flood civilization began with Noah and His family yielding the racial species of believers and spiritually alive man, with the Jews. It will end in the Second Coming and the Great Tribulation.

The third civilization will be the Millenial Reign of Christ and will terminate man's time with the Gog and Magog revolt.

In each of these civilizations, God begins with believers and ends the civilazation in a conflagration. Then will come the Great White Throne Judgment.

Consider how previous bodily demons raped women and had offspring. Upon the Flood, those anomalies were wiped out. The demons who had encroached beyond their domain were then bound in the Abyss and other demons who lost in other conflicts were sent to Tarturus.

It's interesting to note that during our time, demons are disembodied spirits. There are two types of demonic attacks today. Demonic possession wherein the demon invades the body of an unbeliever and demon influence, wherein the demon invades the soul through satanic thought or activity. Anybody residing outside of God's system of grace becomes susceptible to falling under demonic influence, eiher for believers or unbelievers.

The bodily demonic forces are mentioned in Revelation as well as their king, Abaddon or Apollyon who is now in the Abyss and will bring forth the first great demon army attacking man during the Tribulation.

The posts and reports of encounters during dreams are important to consider. In many reports the abductions are associated with spiritual encounters. To understand this a bit further, study the discernible differences between tricotomous and dicotomous anthroplogy of man in Scripture.

Man, after Adam, except for Christ, is dead in the spirit upon our first birth. Faith in God through Jesus Christ is associated with the rebirth of man in the spirit by God the Holy Spirit.

Note also the discernment between the first, second and third heavens in Scripture, and the significance of the curtain in the Temple being rent from bottom to top upon the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross.

The reports of dream like encounters as well as being frozen, unable to move are all very consistent with the description of how God has created things. For example, there is no temptaiton too great than that which may be resisted. In most of our daily lives we are exposed to different situations where we always have an opportunity to decide to act within God's will and obey Him. It's interesting to note, that in certain spiritually dangerous situations, man will freeze up, unable to move or act, or sometimes even think unless reminaing in fellowship with God through Christ.

This reveals several things, one of which His immense love and grace for man, and also how we are also a spiritual species, able to become members of His royal family through faith in Jesus Christ. While faithful, we are endowed with tremendous authority and power, as well as a love from Him from which we will not be separated while we remain faithful to Him.

Whenever exposed to such an encounter, first priority should be to immediately confess any past known sins and place oneself in simple devoted faith with God through Christ. The confession is to nobody other than God through Christ. Secondly, place all faith and devotion to God through Christ. Let Him handle the authority and power of the situation. Compared to demons, man alone isn't very competent. They've been around for millenia, they know man's character and tendencies better than we know our own.

However, they also are persons and have distinct character,...in all cases almost to a incredible fault.

They might be perceived during waking or sleeping periods as they are spiritual beings. If during a waking state, they won't be a embodied person, unless they have possessed the body of another person by invasion.

It might be the case that the 'aliens' encountered are a clone or replication of an animal for the demonic spirit to inhabit.

One thing definitely doesn't make sense, if one takes the atheistic response. If they are ETs, from far far away with highly advanced skills, ...why would they bother mutilating cattle and abducting men in stealth to study biological functions? We're supposedly considerably less advanced, yet can develop ways to study other species and phenomenon without invading their privacy or cause bodily destruction. If destruction is no issue, why mutilate at night or in stealth? If impact on humans is no issue, why are these abductions in unseen situations?

These perspectives are much more indicative of beings who lack bodies, seek to learn how we function, in order to replicate bodies, and perform their actions in malevolent deception. Interesting how fallen angels are also described as being 'malevolent deceivers'.

Best way to study about them, is first to receive salvation and then study Scripture about what God has for man. The rest is merely a tangeantial issue, provided one remian s faithful through Christ.
251 posted on 02/11/2004 8:45:07 PM PST by Cvengr (;^))
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