When UFOs Arrive

www.popularmechanics.com ^ | February 2004 | BY JIM WILSON

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

A: Tead about their purpose more carefully and you will see what I mean,

I did a word search, there is no mention for any purpose for the stars, and there is nothing in the bible that says we are the ONLY creatures made in his image. That is other than of this earth.

But I suppose you would interpret the following as that the stars were created as a counting learning aid.

Genesis 15

4 Then the word of the LORD came to him: "This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir." 5 He took him outside and said, "Look up at the heavens and count the stars-if indeed you can count them." Then he said to him, "So shall your offspring be." 6 Abram believed the LORD , and he credited it to him as righteousness.

[Modernman]

I agree--If ET comes he will be treated like an ambassidor from another land. The last thing we want to do is slice and dice him.

I imagine any first contact situation (other than a crash-landing) would be done on the aliens' terms, not ours. Any physical first contact would need to be planned out ahead of time by both parties. I would say, most likely, it would involve our representatives going to meet them on their spacecraft, since an advanced space-faring race would be much better at making sure there are no unfortunate cross-species exchanges of disease or whatnot.

[Chris Talk]

From my posts and many others all over the Internet, it looks like it has NOT been altogether successful.

But as long as official deniability is maintained, the sheeple can still pretend there ain't no such animals.

[Frank_Discussion]

"You are still humanizing something utterly alien."

Not really, JoJo. I'm referring to physical limitations of the universe and fighting over resources being common themes. You're are absolutely right, there is the possibility ET's would display total indifference to our existence - but that is not an uncommon trait in human history, either.

The fight for resources and quest for some understanding of the universe is constrained by how the cosmos works. Yes, there will be some incredibly different characteristics with ET's, but this notion that we'll be completely unable to relate is a flawed idea.

I think that a lot of this attitude comes from a refusal to believe even the required travel technology is humanly achievable. Something like:

"Why, to get from star to star in such a short time the ET's MUST be more enlightened or possesses some mental faculty we'll never understand!"

Hogwash, says I.

[Chris Talk]

The first treaty between the US Government and the Aliens came in 1954, fifty years ago.

[biblewonk]

LOL!!! Hi Mulder, How's Scully doing?

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

I would say, most likely, it would involve our representatives going to meet them on their spacecraft, since an advanced space-faring race would be much better at making sure there are no unfortunate cross-species exchanges of disease or whatnot.

But, but, that would mean the aliens could implant mind control devices into our leaders!

Oh my! That certainly explains a lot! This must have already happened!

[Frank_Discussion]

You're right to point out that I "believe" humans have a metaphysical component, but no, I'm not an alien. lol.

An assumption? Sure. A person or group's worldview is rife with them. I'm not sure what your point is with bringing this up.

[Chris Talk]

Not so much we, as our CATTLE, that are the culinary delicacy, which by no means is to say that humans also including fetal tissues, are not needed by them for enzyme and medicinal purposes.

They also need Gold, of course. Humans are useful both to raise and slaughter the cattle, and mine the gold.

Beefeating aliens, straight from the age of Taurus [before c2250 BC] to us! Why is it this cult of the bull [or in India the cow] existed everywhere in deep antiquity. Why a Golden Calf?

[biblewonk]

Gen 1 14-19 it says the lights are for signs for seasons for days and for years. In Revelation there is a great sign in the heavens of a dragon and a pregnant woman... So in the end of Gen 1 14-19 where it says "He made the stars also" one might exclude them as being part of that purpose but Revelation certainly brings them back in.

I find another purpose though in Job where it says we can not know the ordinances of the heavens, ie all of the laws of physics. The more we study the heavens with our greatest minds and tools, the more we learn that there is more we don't know. This is also a sign. It is about the Glory of God who slapped the whole thing together in a day.

[Modernman]

The anti-God crowd would absolutely love to find life on other planets. It would free them from God in their minds and prove their religion of evolution. It will never happen.

Let's turn this around, for the sake of argument. What if we do find life on other planets. It doesn't even have to be anything advanced- something no more complex than an amoeba. What does that do to one's religious beliefs?

[Frank_Discussion]

Mornin'!

"That is to say, the jump between moving THROUGH space to the technology of moving AROUND it is vastly greater than the jump between a slow horse and a fast car."

Moving from a fast P-51 Mustang to the Bell X-1 was considered a huge leap, though there was only a scant few bits of velocity between the Mustang's dive speed and breaking the sound barrier. It's all a manner of increments (as you point out in the quote below) and discovering the limitations you thought you had are not real.

"FTL may well be possible in a hundred years or a thousand...where the science behind it is devined and understood in a million little breakthroughs made by men and women who devote their lives to it."

Which is different entirely from saying it's "arrogant" to think that humans can comprehend FTL travel theory. Especially under the consideration that there are good and sober scientists working on FTL right now.

[50sDad]

I would say, most likely, it would involve our representatives going to meet them on their spacecraft, since an advanced space-faring race would be much better at making sure there are no unfortunate cross-species exchanges of disease or whatnot.

If you want to avoid exchanges of whatnot, we better not send Bubba.

[Little Ray]

Doesn't do anything: There are many mansions in my Father's house...

[Modernman]

The first treaty between the US Government and the Aliens came in 1954, fifty years ago.

What were the terms of that treaty?

Assuming that such a treaty exists, it suggests that the aliens involved have motivations much like ours and that they perceive reality much like we do.

Whether that's good or bad, I don't know.

[stuartcr]

It was tied in with the thought that you may be an alien....

[man of Yosemite]

One of the great sci-fi flicks of all time. I've personally known a couple people who said they've seen a UFO, but I can't shake my skepticism. The distances are so incredibly vast, that they would have to develop some impressive technology to reach us. They would have to find a way to travel at light speed or faster. I believe God is much faster than the light which he created, so I suspect there is a way to move faster than light. However, it may only be possible to experience this when moving with God. I suspect this new mode of transportation by seeing the way Jesus was able to appear and disappear at will after his resurrection, sort of like digitizing his body and emerging within the created realm again.

[Frank_Discussion]

"Hypersurfing!
Less than a hundred years ago science taught that travel to the moon would never be possible. I'll bet that men will be hypersurfing all over the place less than a hundred years from now."

Exactly my point. What we believe we can't understand, we won't. If one believes FTL is impossible, that person will NEVER understand it. If one at least is willing to consider it as real, understanding is at least possible.

The Wright brothers thought flying humans was possible when most people said they we're delusional. Of course, the benefit of history shows who was right.

"The only question now is, where is ET?
Maybe they're already here."

Beats me.

[Modernman]

But, but, that would mean the aliens could implant mind control devices into our leaders!

Nah. I doubt it would be the President (or, God forbid, Kofi Annan) who would go to meet the aliens. Some type of delegation, with representatives from all the major powers (the USA, the EU, China, India etc.) would be the logical group to send.

A lot of people seem to assume that aliens would automatically contact the US first. The logical thing for them to do might be to contact the political entity that represents the largest group of humans (i.e. China).

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

Gen 1 14-19 it says the lights are for signs for seasons for days and for years.

That's not for decoration! Stars serve no purpose for separating night from day. None at all. Also the sun is for growing plants, warming the earth, and solar energy. That passage didn't say there were no other purpose for the sun. Just as it says God created plants and trees, but no mention of any microbes. The bible didn't say anything about the planets either, that didn't mean they didn't exist. So what's to preclude that there are purposes for stars not mentioned in the Bible? That is to provide homage for alien life forms?