Police Video Shows Officer Tackle Cyclist

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[Bob Mc]

"Oh bull. These 'hands off' laws have come into vogue in the last 20-25 years. Before then, there was no crap about cops having their way with us or going around murdering whoever they wanted."

Tell this to the family members of those innocent people murdered by cops who broke in to wrong addresses in no knock arrests.

"Go back to the DU with that kind of crap."

Your silly insult is completely meaningless. I have never vistied DU. I have been here on FR longer than you have. Will be here way after you have left as well.

"California set the Pace as the Left increased its influence. Simple holds and takedowns were made illegal because some criminal might get hurt and a couple media cases like the recent resisting arrest in Cincinnati gave a howl that the safety of criminals was more important than police officers. Respect of officers goes down, violent resists go up, more cops get hurt, and the effectiveness of the PD goes down."

Lost police effectiveness is not because the cops can't beat up people. It's because the courts and juries won't hold criminals accountable. Get a clue.

"If you haven't broken the law, fled, endangered others, resisted arrest, you would have no worries."

I consider myself a law abiding citizen (see my profile). However, I do worry about such things as the police busting into my house (wrong address) without warning. I'm afraid I'll panic and shoot one of them not knowing who is busting down my door. Their Ninja SWAT guys will kill me and anyone else that moves." There are many such stories, right here on FR.

"Unlike your 'oh the bad police will run amuck' panty wetting."

Please, your insults are not necessary or appreciated. Drop the attitude. You'll certainly wet your pants when they bust down your door. Look, I don't belive police in general are "running amuck" as you say. But I do believe they are slowing being militarized (due to the WODs). More and more see their job as an us versus them attitude. We need Peace Officers, not soldiers.

"The swing has long gone too far to the left to protect criminals, it is about time that good men doing a dangerous job to protect you get the consideration."

I agree somewhat, criminals get off to easily in our corrupted judicial system. Still doesn't justify allowing police to beat up people during arrests.

I'm very afraid of people like you. You seem as though you'll overlook just about anything as long as it doesn't affect you directly. My God man! These cops were arrested and convicted! Do you really think they didn't do anything wrong? I know the courts are often corrupted, but they rarely if ever come down very hard on police officers like this, unless their behavior is way way over the line. The line of reasoning you advocate is only a step away from crossing over to a Judge Dread if you ask me. Cop, judge, jury, and executioner all rolled into one.

And again, lose the attitude. It is not helpful nor tolerated on this debate forum.

[Ophiucus]

Tell this to the family members of those innocent people murdered by cops who broke in to wrong addresses in no knock arrests.

Give me a break - similar to a leftist, you take an isolated incident and apply it to all police.

Lost police effectiveness is not because the cops can't beat up people.

Yet again, the leftist cry. No one has mentioned taking aside someone just walking down the street and beating them up. In the midst of a disturbance involving violence or the threat of violence, police do have to react with controlled violence. they can't just ask pretty please. Permissive courts are only part of the problem.

There are many such stories, right here on FR.

And they are that - stories. Guess what - if you are not involved in a crime and your door gets busted down, you can own that police force through criminal and civil suits. Every time I've heard one of those 'I wasn't doing nothing' stories, it's been a 'I wasn't doing anything really illegal' story.

Yes, there are bad cops like any profession but they are the small minority and not part of a vast police state conspiracy.

Please, your insults are not necessary or appreciated. Drop the attitude.

Gee, sorry you've never had anyone stridently disagree with your opinion. Can't stand the heat....

The line of reasoning you advocate is only a step away from crossing over to a Judge Dread if you ask me. Cop, judge, jury, and executioner all rolled into one.

Not even. I've seen cops take down criminals in the process of slicing people up, I've seen the tape of a cop slam a guy just like in the video after a high speed motorcycle chase that left 5 seriously injured on his path (two shot while he sped away from the initial scene), and when he stopped because of an engine failure, he started to draw his weapon again. Yes, he was body tackled hard off of the bike and luckily, he was the only one injured that time. We splinted him, restrained him, and into the back of the rig he went for treatment.

There's no judge, jury, executioner mindthought there - it is controlling a dangerous person rapidly and completely.

It is the utter lack of comprehension of reality on the streets of folks like yourself that creates an 'us versus them' mentality.

To keep the peace means having to control those that would do evil - your thinking would rather have had the UN keep the peace in Iraq.

[Bob Mc]

"Give me a break - similar to a leftist, you take an isolated incident and apply it to all police.'

Not isolated at all! Here in my own home state of Texas, we've had an out of control FBI/ATF at Waco using unnecessary violence ending in the death of dozens of innocent women and children. A whole team of cops in Dallas convicted for planting evidence and making false arrests, a racist cop in Tulia making false arrests. They even killed one of their own in a SWAT raid in Lubbock Texas. The raid was over a domestic abuse. The guy's wife got angry and called the police, said he was holed up with a gun. Turns out he had no gun, was sitting on the couch talking on the phone to a negotiator when the SWAT spent 239 rounds of ammo into his house. These are not isolated events. These are not "stories" as you imply but real events. Open your eyes man.

"Yet again, the leftist cry. No one has mentioned taking aside someone just walking down the street and beating them up."

While I agree we should avoid simplyfying the argurment in such terms, you are trying to imply these cops in this article didn't do anything wrong. You seem to be justifying their actions. These cops obviously exceeding their authority in this case. You seem to want to ignore it and pretend such things aren't significant.

"Guess what - if you are not involved in a crime and your door gets busted down, you can own that police force through criminal and civil suits."

Doesn't do me any good if I'm dead from the police abuse.

"Yes, there are bad cops like any profession but they are the small minority and not part of a vast police state conspiracy."

Agreed, but then I'm not advocating we have a police state, not yet anyway.

"Gee, sorry you've never had anyone stridently disagree with your opinion. Can't stand the heat...." </>

I enjoy a good debate any time. But insults, such as your telling me to go back to "DU and calling me a "leftist" is not debate. It is designed to inflame. It is directed anger and hatred. It is not necessary nor tolerated on this forum.