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To: missyme
Foxman and the ADL are absolutely blind. Yes, the Jews present at the time were responsible. That was the point - they did not see Jesus for what he is, and were threatened by his teachings. They called for his death, despite being offered an alternative, and it's not at all vague in the Bible history.

I have serious doubts that Mel Gibson would paint the jews of the present with the brush of hate in a similar circumstance. This is not an issue of hate for Jews, it's an appeal to the world to truly understand what Jesus went through for humanity. Foxman and ADL are being arrogant for assuming it's an attack of some kind.
8 posted on 02/03/2004 9:17:06 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Frank_Discussion
Yes, the Jews present at the time were responsible.

The dictionary describes a Jew as:

1 a : a member of the tribe of Judah b : ISRAELITE
2 : a member of a nation existing in Palestine from the 6th century B.C. to the 1st century A.D.
3 : a person belonging to a continuation through descent or conversion of the ancient Jewish people
4 : one whose religion is Judaism

If you go by definations 1,2 or 3, then yes, the Jews were responsible.

The Pharisees

1 capitalized : a member of a Jewish sect of the intertestamental period noted for strict observance of rites and ceremonies of the written law and for insistence on the validity of their own oral traditions concerning the law were the Jews

were the specific individuals who brought the charges against Jesus, but Jesus describes these accusers in :

John 8:19 ...Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 8:39 If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
John 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

63 posted on 02/03/2004 10:50:11 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: Frank_Discussion
There is a never-ending assault on truth. Reconstructionists are changing history as each year goes by. Throughout history there are more than enough examples where Christians were very much in the wrong and where just about every other kind of people, group. race, etc. you name it, committed atrocious acts. What happened, happened! That's what history is supposed to be, what happened! Unfortunately, truth has been eliminated and replaced by the wonderful world of grey. You're never accountable for what you say or do, it's always someone else's, somethinmg else's fault.
104 posted on 02/03/2004 1:06:04 PM PST by elephantlips
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To: Frank_Discussion
They could easily use this to show it was politics and not a people.

PR stunts.
172 posted on 02/03/2004 5:52:49 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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