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The Hobbit Hole VI - And Whither Then? I Cannot Say...

Posted on 01/31/2004 9:52:08 AM PST by ecurbh

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To: Darksheare
LOL!

Don't laugh!--I still use my Crayola tabletop art easel :)

14,341 posted on 03/12/2004 5:50:43 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora
My Grumbacher wooden art easel needs some replacement parts.
(I have to replace some of the flat wood leg stays.)
But other than that, it's still in the condition it was when I got it back when I was 7.
*chuckle*
14,342 posted on 03/12/2004 5:53:37 PM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for today: Nothing like having your cat doubt the legitimacy of your parentage.)
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To: Darksheare
"Hamlet, I am your father!!!"

"To be or to be not--the question, that is."


14,343 posted on 03/12/2004 5:55:12 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora
Howdy!!!

Just starting up the laptop again... got into a discussion with a colleague that stopped by. He's gone now and I can chat again.
14,344 posted on 03/12/2004 5:55:22 PM PST by Ramius
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To: Fedora; Darksheare
Speaking of Hamlet... have you ever seen Mel Gibson's Hamlet???
14,345 posted on 03/12/2004 5:56:41 PM PST by Ramius
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To: Ramius; Fedora
LOL!
Yoda as Hamlet..
*chuckle*

Nope, haven't seen Mel's Hamlet yet.
14,346 posted on 03/12/2004 6:05:21 PM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for today: Nothing like having your cat doubt the legitimacy of your parentage.)
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To: Ramius
No, is it good? Does Mel star, or is that the one with Kenneth Branagh (who is a great actor, and cute - I love "Much Ado About Nothing")?
14,347 posted on 03/12/2004 6:10:15 PM PST by JenB
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To: All
Okay, I've been thinking about the nature of lembas argument some more, and I was wondering, are these the Vanilla Wafers some here are claiming are lembas?

'Cause it occurred to me that these are made by Elves--hmmm. . .

But then the same elves also make these, which could also be lembas:

And then there's these, which are also made by elves:

Hmmm. . .

14,348 posted on 03/12/2004 6:11:56 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Darksheare
I'm by no means a Shakespeare scholar, but I *really* liked Mel's version. The only one I've ever seen before, though, was the Olivier version and that's from many many moons ago.

I've heard of the Kenneth Branaugh version but haven't seen it.
14,349 posted on 03/12/2004 6:12:28 PM PST by Ramius
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To: JenB
Yes, Mel stars as Hamlet. It's a Zeferelli (sp?) film. The one with Branagh(sp?) is a different version.

Some reviews I've seen say that the Branagh movie was better from a production value standpoint, but that Mel really nailed his performance of Hamlet better than Branagh.
14,350 posted on 03/12/2004 6:15:33 PM PST by Ramius
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To: Fedora
It is really *really* too bad that you missed out on the whole "Lembas recipe" dust-up we had here a couple of years ago. IIRC, it got quite heated. :-)
14,351 posted on 03/12/2004 6:17:27 PM PST by Ramius
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To: Ramius
I like Branagh, but personally feel he's better in something with humor. Mel's got a good 'look' for a tragedy or serious movie.

Heh, but if I had to choose I'd take Branagh. Mel's a little TOO serious-looking, IMO, though he looks good in a kilt...
14,352 posted on 03/12/2004 6:18:58 PM PST by JenB
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To: Fedora
Personally, I lean toward a larger and somewhat lighter and fluffier "Wheat thin" algorithm for Lembas.
14,353 posted on 03/12/2004 6:19:06 PM PST by Ramius
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To: JenB
Well, yes, but serious-looking is good for a role like Hamlet. It's a serious role. What Mel can do really well is display emotion on his face, without saying a word.

I've never thought about it before, but there is an interesting parallel to the tragic characters of Hamlet, and Mel's role in Mad Max. In fact the more I think about it the better it gets.
14,354 posted on 03/12/2004 6:22:23 PM PST by Ramius
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To: Ramius
Well, yes, but serious-looking is good for a role like Hamlet. It's a serious role. What Mel can do really well is display emotion on his face, without saying a word.

Which was the point I was trying to make until I got distracted by... mental images!

14,355 posted on 03/12/2004 6:28:20 PM PST by JenB
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To: Ramius
so... how long have you had this fascination with Mel?...
14,356 posted on 03/12/2004 6:33:26 PM PST by g'nad
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To: Ramius; Darksheare; JenB; RosieCotton; All
No, didn't see Gibson's version; was it good?

BTW, speaking of Hamlet, I once saw Mystery Science Theater do a German version of Hamlet with Ricardo Montalban's voice dubbed in, thus providing further evidence of a deep connection between everything else in Hollywood, Planet of the Apes, and LotR, as I have previously argued elsewhere (the "Six Degrees of Cornelius" conspiracy theory, which is part of my larger "Everything in Hollywood is secretly linked to Adam West through his henchlings Dick van Dyke and Dick van Patten" theory)--to illustrate:

The Return Of The King (1980)

The creative team behind 1978's impressive animation feature based on J.R.R. Tolkien's Hobbit return with this entry drawn from Tolkien's famous Lord of the Rings trilogy. It's good work all around, and not at all the kind of feature-length cartoon that reduces good books to treacle. Orson Bean returns as the voice of Bilbo Baggins as well as that of the trilogy's hero, Frodo. John Huston is commanding again as the voice of the wizard Gandalf, and also in the vocal cast are William Conrad, Paul Frees, and Roddy McDowall.

Anyway, if you're a real Hamlet fan, you won't want to see this movie:

Episode 1009- Hamlet

Movie Summary: Leave it to Germany to turn a bleak brooding play into an even bleaker, broodinger movie-of-the-week for German television. This thing, made in the early '60s, has "we're still really sorry for the war and feel terrible" all over it.

We all know the story of Hamlet. Hamlet, normal healthy young man home from college, avenges his father's death by coming onto his mom, killing his buddy's dad, driving his girlfriend to suicide and ultimately getting suckered into a rigged duel which ends in the death of everyone in Denmark who is inbred and has any money.

Maximillian Schell, who captured all our hearts in Disney's The Black Hole plays the annoyingly existential Prince of Denmark with the kind of skill and range we've come to expect from the actor Sting. King Claudius dresses like M.C. Three Hundred Pound Oliver Reed and seems to have been dubbed by Ricardo Montalban. Polonius, on the other hand, sounds like John Banner, TV's funny Nazi butcher Sergeant Schultz. Add to this a cast of equally brooding actors, a set made of nothing but blocks of old unpainted stucco, a musical score reminiscent both of Brecht plays and cabbage farts, and you have perfect cannon fodder for a boy and his puppets.

Prologue: Servo insists that everyone call him "Sirveaux" from now on. Spelled different, sounds the same. Oh, and he now spells his first name "Htom." Crow suggests that perhaps Htom could hlick him.

Segment One: Pearl has come up with a horrible world-killing mutant virus. Mike couldn't give a rat's ass; he wants to play three-card monte for the choice of today's movie. Mike wins and picks as his movie Hamlet. Pearl pulls a SWITCHAROO on Mike and sends him the above described German turd.

Segment Two: Crow and Servo dress up as Mike's dead dad to scare him and perhaps have a good chuckle. Turns out that Mike's dad isn't dead, nor are any of his relatives that they can name. Ultimately Crow and Servo yell at each other and fall over in a snappy bit of physical, um, comedy.

Segment Three: Crow and Servo rehearse their own unorthodox staging of Hamlet. After having tried an all-SCUBA diving version, a bucket-head version and an all-furniture version, they decide on an all-percussion version. In this way we stick it to all those pretentious bastards who want to do something different with this classic tragedy.

Segment Four: Mike dresses in full Elizabethan drag for a "nutty" game show parody called "Alas Poor WHO???" in which Tom and Mike, who play small robots who live with Mike, try to guess which celebrity an old bone comes from. Surprisingly, there isn't a trace of irony in this funny yet series-canceling sketch.

Segment Five: The bots, as they usually do when they like a character, have made an action figure of Hamlet. It talks and has a string you pull. A really long string. I mean a REALLLLLY long string, because it talks a lot. In the castle, Pearl and Co. are visited by Fortinbras, a character from the end of Hamlet, who is outraged that he was excluded from this version of Hamlet. Pearl calmly pours poison in his ear and kills him. Ultimately, Mike lets go of the very long string from the Hamlet doll, and we hear the entire "to be or not to be" soliloquy.

Reflections: We very much looked forward to doing this movie. It seems easy to do Shakespeare badly, as this thing proves. And then we found ourselves with the task to cut this three-hour-plus production down to our required time of a little more than eighty minutes. Although we found some relief in the fact that his play is astoundingly overwritten, it did give me pause to think that we could be making a bad production worse by chopping it. This turned out to be untrue. Bottom line is, not even that lipless yet talented Kenneth Branaugh was able to get it right. But I did feel this sense of import, as if we should do sketches and jokes that were somehow more intelligent, more up to the raw material which is Shakespearean verse at its best, full of hidden meanings and outright puns and dirty jokes and strikingly compact metaphors and sheer marvels of language. However my colleagues calmed me down and came to remind me that we can't really break the play, can't even hurt it. The Germans already tried and yet I still love the thing, long and wordy as it is. So go ahead and try your own clown makeup version of Hamlet. It'll be around long after you croak. Not the clown makeup, the play. -- Kevin Murphy.

14,357 posted on 03/12/2004 6:40:01 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora
It's like a flat cornbread.
14,358 posted on 03/12/2004 6:42:35 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: g'nad
so... how long have you had this fascination with Mel?...

bwaahahha... Well... he does look pretty in a kilt... bwaahahaha.... :-)

eeewwww...

14,359 posted on 03/12/2004 6:43:12 PM PST by Ramius
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To: Fedora
Wow...

Dude... I'm not sure the meds are working. Perhaps surgery is in order??? :-)
14,360 posted on 03/12/2004 6:45:27 PM PST by Ramius
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