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Outsourcing didn't make a new form of slavery.

The H-1B program already did that here. They live in apts. crammed in with one another, they work incredible amounts of overtime with no pay for it, and they take work from Americans because they are so willing to work for half to one-third what a comparable American would expect.

Another fallacy is their education. Prof. Matloff has shown the phoney-baloney that goes on with their "tech schools", and they come here, claiming to have programming languages that they've never seen, and have their buddies teach them at night. Frankly, because they're so cheap, a company like Sun can hire two of them - one to do the programming and the other to debug it.

Makes me sick.

The only work that is going to be reserved for Americans is that DoD and defense/Military work that required clearances, and even then, in Texas they discovered pockets of them, working on work that had been conveniently "declassified" because only the data that would run through it would make the system classified. It turned out that this was patently false. But it wasn't the first time that game was played in the name of expediency. I know of two projects at TRW that were declassified so that they could be worked on because Clintoon had already stripped the clearance processing people out of the agency they were in, put the responsibility of processing clearances in OMB with no money and no people to do the job. That's when it started to take a year to get a basic Secret - which is now up to 2 years. Shoot, I've heard of several folks at the FBI who have been waiting for a Secret and it's been 3 years. Meanwhile, they read the Wash. Post and eat twinkies, because they sure can't do the work they were hired for.

Unfortunately, fixing the clearance processing problem is something that hasn't come into Bush's field of focus, so companies are hiring from the pool of those who are currently cleared and that means that salaries will go up, they have to offer "referral bonuses" and they are not able to hire the brightest and the best - just those who have the clearances hung around their neck.

Lucky devils - I wish I were one of them. I could be working.........

TNT

RE: "Another fallacy is their education. Prof. Matloff has shown the phoney-baloney that goes on with their "tech schools", and they come here, claiming to have programming languages that they've never seen, and have their buddies teach them at night. Frankly, because they're so cheap, a company like Sun can hire two of them - one to do the programming and the other to debug it."

Many won't believe that but here are independent ways of confirming -- or at least seeing that it quite possibly is true in many cases -- and you can do it from home. google, India cheating. You can also visit news groups that are for specific programming languages. There you will find -- it's been a few years since I last looked -- urgent appeals for help with this or that aspect of the language.

Am I mean-spirited and bigoted? I reckon so, I guess.

Way back in the days before PC (the days of John Cameron "Timex, it takes a licking and keeps on ticking" Swayze) there were annual stories like the following. Apparently the only thing that's changed is the calendar and we now have PC. Hmmm. Maybe these stories were reported after the kids, Chet and David, replaced John. I don't remember for sure.

http://www.rense.com/general38/banon.htm

"3,000 Indian Law Students Riot Over New Ban On Cheating," By Shaikh Azizur Rahman in Calcutta, 7-10-3

I remembered. That's why I googled. But for info on real cheating google for China.

Unfortunately, I am all to familiar with the effects of the H1B and L1 visa programs. Blue Cards, will make the H1B visa program look like a cake walk. Now, our wonderful President wants to do the same to skilled and unskilled labor, and Unions in this country. It is incredible that our government is so corrupt, that it would simply sell out American workers like this.

You should read some of the stories coming out of India of what some of these Indian programmers are being thrown into. They are basically being held as slaves, in compounds. They are literally like prisoners, being held against their will. And our govenrment supports it. Truly sick. Isn`t Capitalism great !!