Dimensional Door - Freeople Thread 14

[Windshark]

Maybe that is what Yankees think now, but it surely wasn't what Lincoln thought, nor what most of the soldiers thought.

Tsk, tsk......You guys are sounding like those groups that don't believe the holocaust really happened.

I don't think you can accuse either Val or myself of being "Yankees".......good grief, on most issues concerning the gubmint we are as conservative as you. Even if we were "Yankees", the issue is, what truly happened then, not what either side wants to believe now.

I've read a lot of good histories, and a few of the theories a lot of Southern conservatives seem to believe, along with their "proofs". Quite honestly, the theories don't hold water when you read the totality of the historical record. You can believe it was only about States Rights if you want, but it's simply not true. It was not a made up issue so Northerners could grab your land. Like I said, that's not much different than Holocaust non-believers.

There were some, not lots, of Southerners who didn't believe in Slavery. There were some who fought for the Union who actually believed in slavery, but not very many.

It was about that issue....plain and simple. Lee himself admitted that was the issue in spite of his own belief that it was about States Rights. He himself said that God would decide that war, that He did, and that Lee himself had been wrong.

[Servant of the 9]

I've read a lot of good histories, and a few of the theories a lot of Southern conservatives seem to believe, along with their "proofs". Quite honestly, the theories don't hold water when you read the totality of the historical record.

Instead of 'Histories' which as we all know are predominantly written by flaming liberals, try reading autobiographies and speeches that are contemporary to the war.

So9

[Windshark]

I have.

BTW.....Is Ann Coulter a Yankee?

[Darksheare]

Don't know.

[lodwick]

WTF!

They pulled an effing thread for ONE eff?

What is this forum reduced to being? Nanny site?

Of course, it's for the chillrens....

Go behind the barn, and shake yourselves, admins...take as long as you need to get it right.

[Windshark]

I think she grew up in connecticut and went to University of Michgan Lawschool.

Is she a Yankee?

[sweetliberty]

Yeah, there are one or two mods that have pretty itchy fingers.

[Darksheare]

I think that would make her a Yankee.
Honestly, I don't pay attention to that.

[Servant of the 9]

BTW.....Is Ann Coulter a Yankee?

Probably, but she is cantankerous enough to be Southern.

I am arguing from memory.
During the Centenial of the War, '60 to '65 I read everything, and I do mean everything. Then I moved on to other things.

So9

[Windshark]

A Yankee by geography.

And most of our Southern posters like what she has to say.

Very strange.

[Darksheare]

Oddly enough as well, she isn't very well liked up north.
This is an outrage.

[Conservababe]

Ann Coulter may be a yankee...but she does have manners when in the South. LOL

[Windshark]

Probably, but she is cantankerous enough to be Southern.

Whew.....Val< mo and myself could easily qualify under that definition....

Kudos to you Swervie....I salute your ability to think and debate....on this one, I'll continue to ponder, but for now continue to differ.

[lodwick]

Please re-read them.

Lincoln hated blacks, hated them being here in a white country, and wanted them outta here.

The war was about federalism vs. states rights - to secede from their voluntary union with the united states, as was their right under the Constitution.

[Windshark]

Honeychile.....Ahve been in the South often, and I get along with most Southerners, I don't think I've ever had a run in, not once.

As to the waittress story......it had nothing to do with our attitude. The girl was dumb as a stump. It had nothing to do with her being Southern or having an accent, I've had a few up North that were just as dumb.

End of story.

[Servant of the 9]

Whew.....Val< mo and myself could easily qualify under that definition....

Yeah, you are definitely cranky enough, LOL

Southern is attitude, not geography. I spent a year in Vermont in the '60s before all the Howie Deans and Ben & Jerrys moved in, and I promise you, those old time yankee dairy farmers up there were all Southern.

So9

[Darksheare]

But, you rooted for a Michigan team...
*evil laugh*

[restornu]

How's it going Westy!

[Darksheare]

*dies laughing*
And you know.. I have an odd image in my head of Elmer Fudd as Gollum.
Blame the Hobbit Hole crew on that one.
I just can't see a pic of Gollum and NOT hear Elmer saying, "Gowwum. Gowwum. Do Not Hawm The Pwecious!"

[Conservababe]

Honeychile.....Ahve been in the South often, and I get along with most Southerners, I don't think I've ever had a run in, not once.

Of course not. You just do your yankee thing of expecting a nice salmon fish in trout country...have a hissy fit...and pay your bill and leave. You still don't get it, do you? LOL