(Posted October 2003) What Really Happened To The Picts?

Runewright.tripod.com ^ | 10-27-2003

[ValerieUSA]

I, too, was wondering if the Picts had large hairy feet.

[Eaker]

Patton,

I gotta bump Humble to this post!!!

Men-Fire? Let them eat raw! Tastes better!

[zeugma]

Let's see who will get this reference...

Several species of small furry animals grooving with a Pict.

Hint: I cannot read while this 'song' is on. I have to put whatever I'm reading down until it is over. For some reason it scrambles my brain. :-)

[zeugma]

I guess I should have searched for "pink" before posting my comment below...

[Doctor Stochastic]

They were known among themselves as the Catuvallani (the people of the cat), the Damnoni, the Epidii (the people of the horse), the Veniconea, the Novantae, the Caerini (the sheep folk), the Smertae (the smeared people) and many other names which have disappeared in the mists of time.

Those are mostly Latin names. I don't think the Picts ever called themselves by those names.

They probably intermarried with the Jutes and faded away.

[Jaded]

Mark for reading after coffee during daylight.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Fascinating!

[MayDay72]

I guess I should have searched for "pink" before posting my comment below...

...Ya know what they say about 'great minds' [thinking alike]...

...or maybe it should be 'twisted minds' in this case...

[Rutabega]

Thanks Blam! Have you read 'The Seven Daughters of Eve' by Brian Sykes? My copy is loaned out, but I am quite sure I remember his saying that after extensive blood testing around Europe, the same pattern of matrilinear DNA showed up between the Saami, some of Ireland and Scotland and the Basques. Now, it is early in the am in Sweden, but I feel pretty sure I am remembering this correctly. Also, as the Saami are also in the very northern parts of Sweden that surround Finland, I do need to add that the Saami I see in news stories and on Swedish documentaries are pretty much as you described--dark and shortish. One of my best friends is a Finn, and she is beautifully tall and white blonde, and very different to look at!
Last night, there was a feature on a woman from the Saami region who has just put out a regional folk album, and she sang some live--very eerie and haunting--but really nice to listen to! If anyone is interested, I will try and find her name and send it.
I think that this theory sounds pretty darn good, and would be interested to hear what else you have to say, as always, your posts (often through FarmFriend!) are among my favorites on FR.
(Long post, I know. . .) As an aside, my English grandmother's family, male and female, have a huge proportion of short and dark men and women--male cousins not much taller than 5'1" or 5'2"! We have always referrred to them as Picts!

[Swordmaker]

i think the Picts are still there... or at least their genes. I believe the theory that the Pictish peoples were bred into the British/Irish/Scottish gene pool is the correct one, and that occasionally, their genes appear in one family or another.

You should meet my brother-in-law, now 82, a small leprechaunish gnome of a man named O'Hare: an artist, painter, printer, sculptor. You would swear you had met a genuine member of the "little people." In fact, I found a garden scupture leprechaun that looked EXACTLY like him and bought it for his mother for her 95th birthday. He married a woman who looked like a pixie, also short. His entire family, save for the oldest son who more closely resembles Boris Karloff in his most famous role, carry the leprechaunish/pixieish look and are also are given to fine artistry (one is a co-owner of a pewter foundry and was once commissioned to do the Lord of the Rings Chess Set!). My mother-in-law, who was only 15 years older than her son, also had the same stature and looks as did her first husband, my B-i-L's father. They were often mistaken for brother and sister.

His sister, my wife (26 years younger than he), being the mixture of her mother and her mother's second husband, a tall Swede, got her mother's and half-brother's short stature (less than 5') but lacks the leprechaunish look. My daughters are tall, being even farther removed, as the product of their mother's and my Scottish-English (plus twelve generations in North America) genes. (My 10th great-grandfather was the founder of Salem, Massachusetts, and the first English governor of the Massachusetts Colony, John Endicott.)

[Swordmaker]

Grandpaw says (said, he died last year) we came out of Israel, and settled in Ireland, until the exodus to Scotland.

So that is the origination of the Lepre-Cohens?

[Swordmaker]

Last of the neanderthals?

Have you seen the jawline and hairlines of some of those Welsh miners???

[patton]

LOL. My grandpap(n) was Tom Dudley, also gov of Mass Bay Colony...

[DoctorMichael]

I, too, was wondering if the Picts had large hairy feet.

LOL.

[blam]

"Have you read 'The Seven Daughters of Eve' by Brian Sykes? "

I didn't read the book, I did read a long article about the daughters.

[VadeRetro]

They called themselves by many names according to their gods and their totum animals. They were known among themselves as the Catuvallani (the people of the cat), the Damnoni, the Epidii (the people of the horse), the Veniconea, the Novantae, the Caerini (the sheep folk), the Smertae (the smeared people) and many other names which have disappeared in the mists of time.

One of the Lost Tribes guys cited some literature that reversed the letters in "Damnoni" to get "Danmoni." That in turn allowed allowed the fanciful interpretation of "Dan's Mine" where "Dan" was one of the Hebrew Tribes which was according to those guys mining tin in Cornwall once upon a time. None of the more usual spellings work for that interpretation, of course, and if the Damnoni were the Picts it all sort of falls apart.

[lugsoul]

You forgot "gathered together in a cave and"

[zeugma]

Yeah, leave it to me to get the quote wrong!!! Thanks.

[stands2reason]

Either the leadership was passed directly to members of only one maternal line, or it went to the sister's son of the reigning chief.

The sister's son as heir makes sense in cultures without monogamy. The men couldn't be sure any child was theirs, but they knew for sure their nephews were related to them...