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Posted on 11/20/2025 6:12:42 PM PST by Angelino97
Is it wrong for white Christian men to have a sense of identity?
Ben Shapiro seems to think so. During a recent interview with Dana Loesch, the Daily Wire host lamented the rise in white identity among young conservatives. “I think we can start with what’s driving this in the first place,” Shapiro said. “For a decade or more, there was an attempt by the left to target Christian white men.”
Continuing, he explained:
"In saying that over and over and over, they started to create a feeling in a lot of young white men, that as a targeted group, they actually were an identity group of their own, and that now as an identity group of their own, they must rise up and lay low anyone who is not a member of that group."
Shapiro’s two assertions are correct: the left promulgates anti-white identity politics, and many younger conservatives have developed a sense of white identity in response to it.
But his read of the situation is simplistic. White people can have a positive sense of identity without needing to “rise up and lay low” people from other backgrounds.
It is reasonable not only for white conservatives but also for conservatives of any racial background to object to demographic change, race preferences, and the demonization of European contributions to world civilization. One could certainly oppose these things on colorblind grounds, as conservative activist Chris Rufo has done, since it appears to be the most effective way to build a broad coalition capable of winning elections and changing laws.
But just as Asians may oppose woke policies on the grounds that they feel personally targeted, so, too, do many white people oppose them because they feel targeted. It is entirely reasonable to oppose a policy that directly targets you because of your race, while supporting a colorblind approach to undoing those policies.
In other words, it would be entirely sensible for a white American to object to becoming a minority in a country where discrimination against and demonization of whites is not only legal but widely celebrated. I fail to see why a self-respecting person of any race would support such discriminatory treatment of their own group. Does this qualify as white identity politics?
Clearly, it would be a grievous mistake to look at our current situation and conclude that the solution is to hate all non-white people, expel all blacks from America, advocate for violence, or become as loud and annoying about one’s white identity as the woke activists are about theirs. Those who espouse this hardline white identity politics are often crude and disagreeable, and I’m convinced most on the right who categorically reject any form of white identity are responding to them.
Yet those who seek to quash any sense of white self-identification among younger generations misunderstand the phenomenon and are doomed to fail. Life experiences for young Americans differ dramatically from those of their elders.
For one thing, many young white people grew up in raucous minority-majority schools, where to be white may be to stick out like a sore thumb. Spend a little time on X and you are bound to see videos of black mob violence against white teenagers in high schools across the country. It doesn’t help that in class these students are taught to feel ashamed of their ancestors’ real or perceived sins, a narrative that is also promoted by political elites, entertainers, and the mainstream media.
It’s a sorry situation. But one thing’s clear: telling young white Americans that these problems don’t exist is the surest way to lose credibility in their eyes.
Like it or not, many young white people are being forced to confront the realities of race. To ensure they avoid overreacting, it is important to eschew the finger-wagging and moral denunciations that brought us here.
Those who point to antiwhite discrimination are now so accustomed to scolding that they’ve become immune to it. Instead, what is needed is to calmly and rationally acknowledge the injustice they see while explaining why things shouldn’t be taken too far.
What does such an explanation look like?
In the first place, it’s important to stress that hardline white identity politics is a dead end for the right. If ending anti-white racism and mass immigration are the goals, then the right must build a coalition capable of winning elections and changing laws.
Appealing only to white people is unlikely to make that happen. In fact, Trump campaigned on mass deportations and opposition to anti-white DEI policies, yet he won by increasing his share of minority voters at the same time he supported these policies. Had he adopted a hard white identity politics approach, not only would he have alienated non-white voters, but he also would have alienated many whites.
Second, hardline white identity politics doesn’t offer a path to individual or national flourishing. Look at the white nationalist movement to see what happens to those who subscribe to and get caught up in this ideology. It always ends badly. They find themselves cut off from polite society—not only because of the risk of doxing, but also because the demand for an ever-ratcheting ideological purity puts one at odds with most people, even white conservatives, who do not share their views.
It is perhaps no surprise that when one looks at the numerous high-profile white nationalists who have disavowed the movement—from Derek Black to Jeff Schoep—one notes how easily, once leaving, they became leftists. If this kind of intellectual instability isn’t a wise idea at the individual level, it certainly isn’t going to be at the national level.
The third and last reason is that the form of white identity advocated by hardline proponents is not, as they assert, historically accurate. It’s true that white identity has played a role in American history. British colonists recognized themselves as distinct from Indians and black slaves and understood that those racial differences were greater than whatever ethnic and religious divides separated them from other Europeans.
But modern proponents of hardline white identity politics, who reduce everything to race, ignore the realities of ethnicity, culture, and religion. Putting your racial identity above all else is a sign of deracination, not a return to tradition.
Nevertheless, that doesn’t mean that race is an inconsequential factor in society. We can support racially neutral laws while at the same time opposing the third-world demographic transformation of the West.
Recognizing and celebrating the unique achievements of Europeans need not entail supremacism. We can acknowledge that group differences exist without resorting to hatred. And there’s simply no reason why white Christian men should be uniquely denied a sense of identity.
Some, like Ben Shapiro, might disagree on that last point. But the onus is ultimately on them to demonstrate that their position is not rooted in an anti-white double standard.
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Victor Hanson
Worshipped here
Thinks it can be worked out somehow
He fools a lot of folks here
It is not possible to have an identity as “white” as opposed to an identity as “German”, “English”, “Scits” etc.
There is no “Asian” identity m there is a Chibese, a Korean, a Telugu, a Japanese, a Tamil, a Persian, a Punjabi, a Lebanese etc identity.
The “black” identity was forged as they lost that connect to the old world
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On the contrary, it's "possible" for people to identify however they like.
Some people identify with their ethnicity, or their race, or their favorite sports team or soft drink, or their sexuality or with an animal.
Identity is personal. You might think another person's identity is silly, but it's how they identify nevertheless.
One reason so many white men identify with their favorite video game, or movie (I'm a Trekie! I'm a Star Wars fan!), or sport team, or consumer good, is because humans are tribal.
People yearn for a tribal community. But because whites aren't allowed to identify with their race, and barely with their ethnicity, they embrace consumerism, pop culture, and and sports fandom.
>> *Racial* pride - of any kind - is bad. (From a Christian perspective.)
Tell you what, give me a call when today’s pedestal-elevated, pampered black race embraces your teaching. Especially the females of that cohort. Blacks are absolutely the worst racists in America — bar none!
Change my mind!
Until then, while the identity that I cling to tightly is who I am in CHRIST, I’m gonna refuse to deny the GOD-given blessing of my heritage as a white male.
>> There is no “Asian” identity m there is a Chibese
I’ve never heard of a “Chibese”. What sort of wonderful, entitled creature might that be?
>> eventually a white American has many European ethnicities. Making it harder for whites to identify according to ethnicity.
Call me a white mongrel, I don’t mind...
So “white male” but not American?
Wish the American identity were re-embraced.
Blessings!
That was the year that a critical mass of whites finally got fed up with all the anti-white racism.
The year that whites realized the traditional Conservative Inc. response of "identity politics is leftist" wasn't going to protect whites.
Everyone else -- Blacks, Jews, gays, Muslims -- rally around their identities both for defense and offense (to lobby for their interests).
The collective will always defeat the individual. So if an individual is to survive and prosper, he must form his own collective. Not out of malice or hate, but simply to have a seat at the table when political interests are discussed.
That can't happen until all races, ethnicities and religions put America First.
Indeed.
Cue Lee Greenwood!
You’re flipping the script. The topic is race.
So tell me, is American pride wrong in your book of Christian values? You can’t have it both ways.
Race is about skin color and physical traits, and a scientific way of arranging people as though they were animal breeds.
That’s different from cherishing culture, traditions, and history.
There is but one race, the human race. Bearers of the image of one, same Creator God.
But heavenly identity always comes first 🙂 as that is our eternal citizenship if you believe in Christ.
Gosh. Who could have predicted this?
Actually, some people noticed and objected to the prejudice against white historic Americans that was inherent in the Civil Rights Act all the way back in 1965. They got tarred for being racists for simply noticing what was happening and objecting to it. So there was that. They should have known better.
Three who opposed the 1965 CRA were Barry Goldwater, Bill Buckley and Ronald Reagan. Only Goldwater had a chance to vote on it. Conservatives of the era thought the bill constituted a vast expansion of government power over the private lives of individuals.
Which of course it was. That was the whole point. You can’t let individuals and corporations believe stuff and do things that are anathema to the civil religion of 1960s Establishment liberalism.
An establishment liberalism that dominated the Republican ranks as much as the Democrat, in case you weren’t there and have no idea what politics actually were like at the time.
So the end result was and is the creation of a vast federal regulatory apparatus devoted to rooting out Wrong Thought, and its even more evil twin, Wrong Behavior.
It created quasi-judicial agencies that hold you guilty unless proven innocent. And while you can fight back in theory, you can’t afford the actual time and money it requires to argue and win against the agencies that write the rules that you are charged with violating.
So you, the racist homophobic misogynist xenophobes of America, cave and obey your masters. And society evolves into the Woke free for all we know all too well, where enclaves of Mexico, and India, and Somalia explode in size and replace, permanently, the evil white American people and culture that must be eliminated so that the 3rd World Millenium can commence.
ping to #55. I forgot to include your ‘97’.
I don't understand your question. You seem to be imputing things to me I never said.
"have it both ways"? I don't think I even talked about "one way".
As far as I'm concerned, you can be proud of whatever you like. It's none of my business.
There is but one species, the human species. All humans bear the image of God.
But of course there are genetic subcategories within a species. To say race doesn't exist is ridiculous.
And if whites are demonized, discriminated against, and even murdered as a group, it's appropriate that whites unite and defend their interests as whites.
Have you lived abroad? Italians, Brits, Hungarians, and Scandinavians, Slavs, Caucasians (meaning from the Caucuses) do not just think they’re all the same based on level of melanin. And they’d be offended if you suggest otherwise. Heck, even Brits and Irish don’t want to be lumped together.
“Gist of the article is that White European Christians can identify as White, be proud of their history, and defend their people against discrimination and defamation, without hating or hurting others.”
Absolutely!
Whatever sins we’ve committed other races have done that and more, whereas when it comes to contributing to civilization - science, technology, medicine, the arts, literature, governance, architecture, etc. Whites have been responsible for 90% of that. So, on balance, we have nothing to feel guilty about and a hell of a lot to be proud of!
It’s way past time we start acting like it!
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