Posted on 10/09/2025 12:49:07 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
In August, a guest on Tucker Carlson’s podcast said something that immediately caught his interest. The United States faces a fundamental rift “between heritage Americans and the new political class,” Auron MacIntyre, a columnist for Blaze Media, argued. “Heritage Americans—what are those?” Carlson asked.
“You could find their last names in the Civil War registry,” MacIntyre explained. This ancestry matters, he said, because America is not “a collection of abstract things agreed to in some social contract.” It is a specific set of people who embody an “Anglo-Protestant spirit” and “have a tie to history and to the land.” MacIntyre continued: “If you change the people, you change the culture.” “All true,” Carlson replied.
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That’s the percent that would publicly admit to it....at a time when they would be discriminated against in many places if they did admit to it. Its kind of like those surveys when gun grabbers claim say “see??? Only 25% of people in this state own guns.” The answer of course is no....only 25% are willing to admit to a total stranger over the phone that they own guns.....
LOL, you live in your own fantasy world, ignoring all the history and all the facts, you made up your own fantasy and by golly you will stick with it, no matter how absurd it is.
I would say the same of you. Where did all the Catholics in Britain go in the 50 years between the reign of Elizabeth I and the founding of Jamestown? Think they all converted?
You haven’t even tried to answer because you don’t have a good answer. We both know that.
LOL
They didn’t come to the British colonies obviously, how can you ignore all the historical facts and data that even the Catholic church agrees with and just choose to live with your own personal fantasy, which is totally ungrounded and without connection to anything outside of your own imagination?
There aren't many answers. Maryland and Jamestown are two such answers. I know from my own family history since they WERE exactly what I described. There's a reason why they came in 1649 specifically. That was the year James I was beheaded after the Roundheads won the English Civil War. If you were of any religious persuasion in England/Wales other than a Puritan (yes even other Protestant sects), it was time to get the hell out.
Same personal fantasy and ignoring all historical fact.
Catholics in British America
“There were only about 300 Catholics in Virginia at the time of the American Revolution.”
“in 1765, the Catholic minority in Maryland numbered about 20,000.”
Close to 2% of the colonial population, but whose counting?
Actually from as low as .4% to the most used percentage of 1% with some Catholics claiming 1.2%, in other words, “close to zero”.
Same lack of an answer. Where did they all go? Odd that that minority was supposedly so tiny yet my ancestors on both my father’s and mother’s side were among them.
Research that irrelevant question yourself, what we do know for a flat out fact, is that Catholics did come to the British colonies in large numbers and were not here in large numbers at the founding of America, and were in fact about 1% of the population.
You don’t accept the history, not even from Catholic universities or encyclopedias or any history at all, so continue to live in your imagination.
What we know is that pretty much all the Catholics in England and Wales were Cavaliers. At the conclusion of the English Civil War, the Cavaliers left. They overwhelmingly went to Maryland and Virginia. Given the overt religious discrimination at time its hardly surprising many were not exactly open about their faith. Look up for example the term “priest hole”.
At first I thought you were faking this silliness, but you have convinced me this is truly you.
I’ve devoted too much time to you/this already. I can see you are going to cling to this as a matter of dogma. So have at it. I’m not going to waste any more time with this.
They didn't go the Massachusetts Bay Colony or Providence Plantation. They were definitely not Catholic and definitely not very tolerant. In fact, they wanted to purify the Church of England of any aspect of Roman Catholicism. Roger Williams, a minister, and one of my ancestors, spoke in support of religious freedom. He had to flee from the colony because of his views and he founded Plymouth Plantation which is now Rhode Island. Others Protestants followed. I've seen no mention of Catholics in that group. Many of those Puritans eventually became Baptists.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Roman-Catholicism/Roman-Catholicism-in-the-United-States-and-Canada
According to some estimates, there were at most 25,000 Catholics in a colonial population of about 4,500,000 at the time of independence in 1776.
This chapter surveys the history of Catholicism in America. Prior to 1830, Catholics were a negligible group in the American population: no more than one percent of the inhabitants counted in the census of 1790 and not much more than two percent in that of 1820.
On 6 November 1789, Pope Pius VI appointed John Carroll the first bishop in the United States and established the Diocese of Baltimore, Maryland. When Carroll took office, only one church served the entire region. According to reports sent to Rome in 1780, Maryland was home to sixteen thousand Catholics served by only nineteen priests. By 1790 the entire United States counted only forty thousand Catholics among its citizens, fewer than 1 percent of the population.
Indentured servants were not considered citizens.
Indentured Servitude in Colonial AmericaBy Deanna Barker, Frontier Resources
One half to two thirds of all immigrants to Colonial America arrived as indentured servants. At times, as many as 75% of the population of some colonies were under terms of indenture. Even on the frontier, according to the 1790 U.S. Census, 6% of the Kentucky population was indentured.
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In theory, the person is only selling his or her labor. In practice, however, indentured servants were basically slaves and the courts enforced the laws that made it so. The treatment of the servant was harsh and often brutal. In fact, the Virginia Colony prescribed “bodily punishment for not heeding the commands of the master.” (Ballagh, 45) Half the servants died in the first two years. As a result of this type of treatment, runaways were frequent. The courts realized this was a problem and started to demand that everyone have identification and travel papers. (A.E. Smith 264-270). If a servant worked their full indenture, they received freedom dues, which were based on Hebrew law from the Old Testament. (Deut. 15:12-15) Many colonies also granted land to the newly freed servant.
https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial-census/decade.1790.html
3,929,214 U.S. Resident Population
The Irish Slave Trade – The Forgotten “White” SlavesDon Jaide October 28, 2008
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King James II and Charles I led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.
The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.
Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.
From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.
During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.
Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.
As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.
African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.
Fact check: The Irish were indentured servants, not slavesMatthew Brown
USA TODAY
June 18, 2020The claim: Irish Americans were enslaved in the Americas and treated worse than enslaved Black people National protests against police brutality amid a global pandemic have caused many Americans to reckon with the country’s history of racism and inequality. The moment has caused a fake historical meme to again surface.
“The first slaves shipped to the American colonies in 1619 were 100 white children from Ireland,” reads a May 21 graphic shared over 5,000 times on Facebook. “Truth matters,” the meme also says.
“The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World,” the Facebook page Defending the Heritage wrote. “Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.”
Various examples of the meme appear on social media, each claiming that the Irish were enslaved in the Americas and treated as brutally or worse as African slaves.
"There are many stories, newspaper articles, theories, denials, omissions, coverups," the Facebook page The Irish Factor told USA TODAY about its claims. The page cited British involvement in the slave trade as explanation for the claim posted on its page.
Claims that Irish people were enslaved in British North America are a longstanding myth and online meme sometimes associated with neo-Confederates and white nationalists. The claim, which experts say is also often politically motivated, is untrue.
Fact check: Was GOP founded 'to counter the Democrats’ plans to expand slavery'?
Irish indentured servants in the colonial Americas The claim that Irish people were enslaved in the British American Colonies stems from a misrepresentation of the idea of “indentured servitude.” Indentured servants were people required to complete unpaid labor for a contracted period.
“While the majority of Irish people who became indentured servants in the Colonies did so willingly (why they felt they had to so is, of course, another question), a not insignificant number were forcibly deported and sold into indentured servitude,” Liam Hogan, a librarian and historian known for his work dispelling the Irish slave myth, told Pacific Standard magazine in 2018.
Many indentured servants in the British colonies were working-class white immigrants from the British Isles, including thousands of Irish people. Indentured servants were often treated horribly by their masters, many dying before they were set free.
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