Russia Waited for NATO Cargo Planes to Land

“Nice anti American leftist rant. Congratulations you are a 70’s hippie democrat.
You live in a fantasy world where the United States is evil and putting the destruction of poor Russia. In plain English, horseshit.
President Trump wants nothing more than friendly relations with Russia.
Russia could have day there peacefully for the next 300 years and no one in America or NATO would have dreamed of attacking Russia.
Russia is attacking its neighbor, not for 3 months to teach the West some lesson, but for more than three years of destruction.”

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I fully support your reply to another FR-member and have quoted it above.

Let me also add that some pro-Russians here on FR still try pushing the false narrative that helping our Ukrainian ally is “too costly”. It’s horrendously dishonest, because America now SELLS the weapons Ukraine needs to defend itself. EU-NATO members are helping as well buying all wants needed from America. It’s a great move. Allies working together.

And I said this a few days ago:
Trump just approved a multi-billion-dollar military package to Ukraine. Why? Because he understands what Neville Chamberlain never did: appeasement doesn’t buy peace, it buys blood. It emboldens tyrants. “Peace Through Strength” isn’t a slogan — it’s a principle that’s kept the free world alive.

Some Kremlin-apologists on this thread are fanatically appeasing Russia and would happily watch Russia steamroll Ukraine. That’s no different than letting ANTIFA torch our inner cities and calling it “justice.” It’s appeasing crime, plain and simple. Conservatism has always meant law and order. Without it, civilization rots.

Trying to end a war is good.
BUT! Those screaming “end the war at ANY COST” are blind to the real cost! Capitulating to Russia would not bring peace; it would invite global war by rewarding thievery, murder, and the mass abduction of children. That’s not just anti-conservative, it’s anti-Christian. It’s a lazy, hippie-woke fantasy dressed up as morality.

Trump is standing where real conservatives should stand: for Peace Through Strength. Retreating from that is retreating from Christian duty itself.

And let’s not forget: Hanoi Jane cheered for Russia and the Viet Cong while American boys were bleeding. Today’s Russia-apologists unwittingly play the same role, hoping America folds and stop arming free people’s fight for survival. Do some pro-Russians on this thread also want to disarm Americans (?), eliminating their Right to Keep and Bear Arms? I start to wonder...

But thank GOD: Trump just approved a multi-billion-dollar military package to Ukraine. (Pro-Russian heads are exploding)

We should all support Trump’s ongoing pro-Ukraine foreign policies.
And I hope the Pro-Russians on this thread will end up agreeing with Trump on this. It’s never too late.

CHRISTIAN LIVES MATTER

In the real world:

We’re cutting back on our presence in the Baltic states.

No more deliveries of longer range missiles to strike deep into Russia.

Have you read or seen of any deep strikes lately? Nope-

What about large scale drone attacks on Moscow and elsewhere deep in Russia? Nope-

Of course we’re backing Ukraine. They are our ally. But you’re not going to get to peace by escalation as during the Biden era when Ukraine began losing.

Escalation was an attempt at reversing the negative developments post failed Ukrainian counter offensive of 2023 since which Ukraine has simply slowly been losing ground.

The problem with escalation regards Russia is that they can escalate back. They can play the proxy games and arm our enemies, they can shoot things deep into our territory (the second we did that, Russia had all the justification in the world to do it back to us), they can sink our merchant ships, mine harbors, shut down our space based systems of communications and navigation, all the way through nuclear war if that’s what you seek.

You’re “peace through strength” slogan (people like you have no arguments, just a series of slogans), was legit a long time ago in a different world where the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact were offensive and actually threatening the West (Reagan was right).

But today it’s us that is pushing on them “offensively” (Syria, Iraq, Libya), us that is expanding into their area (border states), is breaking promises and treaties. Did they shoot missiles at Berlin? Washington? London? Nope, it’s UK and US missiles that were flying into Moscow.

The problem with simple minded folks, is that they need simple solutions, something they can put on a bumper sticker, or chant when in a group. But these ideas aren’t really a solution. They are a sales pitches for politicians and a battle cry for the dumb uneducated masses that are going to be asked to pay and bleed for this.

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The bad thing is, this is a war that was entirely unnecessary, predictable that it would happen, preventable in that we could have avoided in a 3 month window where we could have back peddled.

No matter how hard you try, make up other causes, deflect to avoid it, this caused a war and that was (((OUR))) decision: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/

Yeah you stick with your fellow Zeeper, you are both useful idiots that are aiding & abetting the enemies of the USA. Our intervention now will only continue to drain us, while extending the slaughter of Ukrainians & Russians who want nothing to do wit this conflict.

Some day you will learn the truth, and then perhaps you will understand, that removing NATO expansion from the table was the way to go. Not kinetic warfare, that was started by the enemies from within not to help Ukraine at all, but rather to further weaken the USA. Angela Merkle exposed that a solution to the conflict was never really a consideration, which leaves the only other logical conclusion that a kinetic conflict was the desired route for what purpose? What has been gained by it. Why don't you both try to convince me that going down this route was the best way to go? What have the benefits been?

You don't because you do not have good arguments. Because critical thinking is not your bag at all, emotional reaction is what you depend upon.

None so blind as those will will not see the truth, and you two fit that age old adage to a T, along with the useful idiot moniker.

I am for neither side in this conflict, they were both complicit in having conflict go down the kinetic route, but they had others that played roles in that as well, and your refusal that the US, EU, & NATO played roles in making that route the only option left, does not mean you are correct. It only means that is your opinion, and you have absolutely nothing you can point to that confirms that you r opinion was the correct opinion, thought you like to bring Neville Chamberlain as your standby answer. while Neville Chamberlain made the wrong choice, it still exposed the reality that Hitler was not one that could be trusted to keep his word.

We never gave Putin the opportunity to prove if his word was good or bad, but Russia did learn that he couldn't trust Europe, the US, or NATO for their word. All three had lied to Putin's face. Thus he too realized what we did in WWII . That the belligerents could not be trusted.

Like the Allied nation's leaders learned in WWII that Hitler could not be trusted their react supported going to war, Russia's leaser, Putin, learned that he could not trust the aggressors who were threatening Russia reacted in the same manner with the decision to go to war for its own security. I love how you people miss everything, because of you stupidity & refusal to see the truth mainly dies to your biases, but mostly due to your stupidity which keeps your biases alive & well.

If Europe, wants to fight against Russia instead of work to resolve the conflict, then they are welcome to it. We will be more than happy to sell Europe the weapons to the EU, but we will not get involved yet again.

Europe will regret their decisions, as we see Europe cave to the Muslims, while they deny rights to their own citizens.

Yes, Christian lives do matter, but not in Europe as we constantly read in news reports. They jail Christians who are praying outside of abortion clinics or in the streets, while they free Muslims who stab people to death, as was recently reported. They arrest those who speak their minds about the Muslim invaders, that do nothing positive with regards to Europe, and they too are arrested & jailed for that as well.

This just proves how misinformed both of you really are. You can claim I am anything your poor uneducated pea-brains want to use, because they are not true, mean nothing to me whatsoever, and expose the ignorance that together add up to nothing much at all.

Robert DeLong:
“Yeah you stick with your fellow Zeeper, you are both useful idiots that are aiding & abetting the enemies of the USA. Our intervention now will only continue to drain us, while extending the slaughter of Ukrainians & Russians who want nothing to do wit this conflict.”

USA-FRANCE answers:
First of all, I appreciate that you aren’t lazy – you craft lengthy responses and that’s excellent. What I don’t understand is how you think…

You say, “our intervention now will only continue to drain us”.
Why would exporting US gods and weapons be draining America? Under Trump, America gets PAID for what it’s exporting. Remember?

If America gets paid, its wonderful for our Military Industrial Complex, the American worker, and the State gets a lot of revenue from taxes. It’s good for America’s economy. And this ensures that Ukraine can continue to get quality made US weapons in large quantities - not only to continue to protect itself against the ongoing criminals right now violating Ukraine’s borders, but it could potentially help Ukraine get all its territories back in the long term.

Ukrainians are fighters. Have you ever heard the term: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! ?
Yes, they preferer fighting for their freedom and independence rather than suffer under slavery and NeoSoviet-Communist oppression (Russia + North Korea). So why would you want them to stop fighting if they want to continue? It’s a pure investment in freedom.

Have you ever heard about 1776?
Ukrainians have their version of 1776 right now! They fight for their INDEPENDENCE from foreign aggressors, invaders and child abductors.
Nothing wrong about that. Right?

You say, “our intervention now will only continue to drain us”. Why would exporting US gods and weapons be draining America? Under Trump, America gets PAID for what it’s exporting. Remember?

While that is a recent development, that is at least a mild positive.

However, we no longer build our weapons from sources located in the US. Instead, we have outsourced different components that our weapons & munitions use. So, in this case by our exporting of these items, we continue to deplete our stockpile. Should we need them, we will not have a sufficient supply. So, for that issue that is what I am referring to.

Worse though, if President Trump thinks that frees the US from responsibility in continuing the conflict, I'm afraid I must disagree with him on that point, which is the rare instance when I disagree with President Trump. But at least he is not giving them away, as was Biden.

Ukrainians are fighters. Have you ever heard the term: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! ? Yes, they preferer fighting for their freedom and independence rather than suffer under slavery and NeoSoviet-Communist oppression (Russia + North Korea). So why would you want them to stop fighting if they want to continue? It’s a pure investment in freedom.

Well, first of all, the call by Trump to fight fight fight, was not a call to engage in acts of violence, but rather a call for the people to stand up against the enemies from within who are working to destroy this nation, to retake this nation from those traitors of this nation using peaceful means at the ballot boxes. Without this nation, the entire world falls into tyranny.

There are two ways to FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

The first method is to use your brain, while the second is to use force, be it physical engagement or employing the use of weapons. It is highly recommended that the latter only be employed when all else fails.

If you are actually listening to my message that I have not deviated from one bit since the possibility of a kinetic result occurred, was to not go to the kinetic option. Instead, it was to seek out a peaceful resolution.

There was a peaceful resolution that was readily available.

Which was to take NATO expansion off the table, that Putin had clearly stated years earlier, in 2008, that he & Russia both decided that NATO expansion into either Georgia or Ukraine would be considered as redlines.

This wasn't done, because they were not interested in a peaceful resolution. They wanted a kinetic proxy war in order to weaken Russia's military force. They even admitted that, and if you still have doubts that a proxy war was the goal here, Angela Merkle's revealing that the Minsk Accords were never taken seriously, and that they were only engaged in to buy time to build up Ukraine's military & supply them with weapons. If you believe that they were serious about protecting Ukraine's sovereignty, then why did they hamstring Ukraine by limiting Ukraine's actions to that of defensive only? It's obvious that they did not want to have them attack Russia, for then the reality of a wider conflict might be realized.

So, now I ask you, do you think your support for this conflict was smart on your part, or did you only support the stupidity they had devised to use Ukraine's people as fodder, and their country as the battlefield?

That was in reality what you were supporting. Do you in any way feel foolish for accepting the lies you were fed, in order to carry out this proxy war?

You should if you do not. For it has not helped anyone at all. Ukraine has lost land, many lives, and possibly a generation. Yes, I congratulate the Ukrainian spirit to have lasted this long, but Russia has always had the advantage, and it was a significant advantage. There was never a real consideration for wither Europe to get involved militarily to fight in Ukraine, because there was never any real support for either's involvement beyond advisors, and monetary & weaponry support.

Are you waking up to what the realities were, and still are? Yes, Europe would bluster their support & would occasionally state that they would engage militarily, but it was bever forthcoming, because they didn't have the resources or support to back the empty promises.

I hope you now understand my position. I am not now, nor have I ever identified as a hippie. In fact, my major change has been to accept the Lord and to actually start thinking more critically, rather than just go with the flow accepting that this country only works for good, and never supports evil. What an eye-opener that has been. We have had both good & evil leaders, and Obama & Biden top the list of evil, but they have not been alone

Anyway, hope that helps & answers your questions.

Thanks for the dialog. Dialog is what made this nation unique. Let's pray that we return to the belief that people need to engage in debate, that is not full of violent rhetoric, and instead is once again welcomed and we agree to disagree. Not sure we can, but that is where our focus should be.

Both Ukraine & Russia need to work out their differences, but it won't happen with interference from outsiders when the outsiders have differing agendas.

I would like to see NATO absolved, and be reconstituted to form an alliance that protects each other from hostilities, as well as, a commitment to not generate hostilities itself.

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