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Flopping Aces ^ | 06-04-25 | Vince

Posted on 06/04/2025 6:45:00 AM PDT by Starman417

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To: econjack

Right now GDP depends on government spending. Trump cannot afford a negative quarter of growth, even though Biden had two consecutive, because the negative outcry of the anti-Trump MSM would dominate the news cycle for the next two years.
The Left really believes they haven’t gotten their message out. I think the plan is to repeat loudly and often and wear down the voters to go against Trump and Republicans.


21 posted on 06/04/2025 8:12:36 AM PDT by griswold3 (Truth Beauty and Goodness)
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To: Starman417
What this bill doesn’t do is cut spending or cut the deficit.  Indeed, it puts the deficit on overdrive, just as interest rates on government debt seem to be heading upward. The president’s advisor Steven Miller (who is one of the smartest guys in Washington) pushes back, by pointing out that Reagan’s tax cuts weren’t balanced by spending cuts.  True, but then Reagan didn't have, if I remember correctly, a national debt 125% the size of the GDP that needed to be serviced.

The problem with that observation is that Reagan tax cuts ultimate DOUBLED revenue to the Treasury.

Trump's tax cuts ultimately resulted in an increase in revenue to the Treasury.

It's a lie to assume tax cuts result in less revenue.

That being said, yes, the spending in the legislation is way too high. But, given the small majority in the House, it's going to be difficult to get a majority to cut much more.

22 posted on 06/04/2025 8:25:25 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan
It's a lie to assume tax cuts result in less revenue.

To clarify, it's a cut in tax cut rates and not a tax cut.
23 posted on 06/04/2025 8:29:30 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Starman417

Medical costs have to be cut big time.

Hospitals should be split into two to make hospital care price competitive.

EMTALA should only be available by handing over a functional cellphone, SNAP card or paying $200.

Adult Medicaid should have premiums starting at $2/month and rising by $2/month and by $2 for each ER use. The Adult Medicaid monthly base premium amount might be capped at the Medicare premium amount.


24 posted on 06/04/2025 8:38:53 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Starman417

The DOD budget needs a haircut.

No more new big surface ships.

No more new manned combat aircraft.


25 posted on 06/04/2025 8:44:05 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Starman417

We all know they have no balls or backbones. So, who is surprised?


26 posted on 06/04/2025 8:46:46 AM PDT by Agatsu77
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To: Starman417

No more refundable tax credits!

The amounts that would get refunded could be used to pay off student loans, pay Medicaid premiums and co-pays, or pay PPACA premiums.


27 posted on 06/04/2025 8:46:54 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: proxy_user

“Now what?”

Split the hospitals up to cut Part A costs.

Split off PPACA drug coverage from PPACA service coverage.

Control drug costs by introducing PPACA drug plans that only need cover 80% of biologic, breakthrough and patented drugs.

As they work better[nearly complete coverage], allow them to be Part D plans too.

Market force competition must be brought to government programs.


28 posted on 06/04/2025 9:19:25 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Starman417

I don’t blame Trump. This abysmal betrayal of the American people was written in the halls of Congress…

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I’m tired of hearing people blame Congress for Trump‘s BBB.


29 posted on 06/04/2025 9:30:48 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Nobody elected Elon Musk? Well nobody elected the Deep State either.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Sadly I must agree.


30 posted on 06/04/2025 9:33:28 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (Treason is the reason for Democrat Sedition & subvertion )
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To: Starman417

I say, TRUST TRUMP. Give Trump what he wants for now.

Wait and see what he does with it.

The country won’t end tomorrow even if what the naysayers say about it is true.

But the country WILL END tomorrow if Trump’s agenda is thwarted.

Trump has been in office just 135 days (under 20 weeks) (just over 4 months)

GIVE IT A CHANCE! There will be a new budget next year. Fight then!

Republican Congressman NEED to get reelected! We MUST hold onto the Congress and INCREASE our numbers. WHATEVER THAT TAKES!

The country is at stake. Literally.

I said before the election that our ONLY hope was a Trump win, a Republican House and a Republican Senate.

I did not have much hope. Then SHIZAMM! God delivered.

GIVE TRUMP WHAT HE WANTS (for now) and lets just see how far this baby can fly.


31 posted on 06/04/2025 9:45:30 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: Leaning Right; TexasGator

The article says it does.
Evidence otherwise TG ?


32 posted on 06/04/2025 9:47:31 AM PDT by A strike (bring home American patriot Eric Snowden)
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To: A strike

“The article says it does.”

Yeah. Using static models proven wrong by previous Reagan and Trump budgets.


33 posted on 06/04/2025 9:53:56 AM PDT by TexasGator (I'11-.1.'1'11\1I11111111111.1'11.'11/'~~'111./.)
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To: griswold3

That’s a naive argument and assumes that those individuals and corporations who pay taxes would withhold those dollars from the market. Doubtful at best.

Also, the private multiplier on expenditures for the gov’t is always 1 less than the public multiplier. The private multiplier is:

Kp = 1.0 / (1.0 - MPC) where MPC = Marginal Propensity to consume

The gov’t multiplier is:

Kg = MPC / (1.0 - MPC)

Example:
private: 1.0 / (1.0 - .9) = 10
gov’t: 0.9 / (1.0 - .9) = 9

Hence, private expenditures generate more GDP than gov’t expenditures.


34 posted on 06/04/2025 10:13:35 AM PDT by econjack
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To: Starman417

“I don’t blame Trump”

Of course not. Never do. Lord and savior. Perfect as always.


35 posted on 06/04/2025 10:21:45 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes, always rationalizing everything Trump does, including when he praises and supports fully things they usually say are RINO.


36 posted on 06/04/2025 10:28:21 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Brian Griffin

Yes, that’s an approach. There are all kinds of approaches.

Now, try to get any of them through Congress, past powerful lobbies who stand to lose billions in revenue.


37 posted on 06/04/2025 2:21:59 PM PDT by proxy_user
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