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Bureau of Land Management Ranges Near Phoenix Require Steel Targets for Safety?
AmmoLand ^ | February 24, 2025 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 03/04/2025 5:57:38 AM PST by marktwain

On January 4, 2025, President Joe Biden signed H.R. 6492, also known as the Explore Act. The Act contains H.R. 1614, the previous Range Access Act. The act, as passed, requires bureaucrats in the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and the United States Forest Service (USFS) to consider the establishment of a target shooting range in each National Forest district or Bureau of Land Management (BLM) district. This is not a difficult requirement.

In Arizona, there are only four BLM districts. Each district is much larger than some of the smaller eastern states.  BLM recently constructed three shooting ranges north of Phoenix, Arizona. These ranges were constructed before the Explore Act. The current rules on these ranges are extremely restrictive.

The experience of long-term desert shooters with the building of three ranges on BLM land north of Phoenix is a cautionary tale.  A significant amount of money was spent to build well-designed ranges that have minimal utility.

The only shooting allowed at the ranges is shooting at steel targets at fixed distances, mostly at long ranges.  No shooters are allowed to go down range.  The only targets that may be used are the steel targets provided at the fixed ranges. The steel targets are painted once a week. This does not appear to be the original plan put forward by stakeholders when they met with BLM planners prior to the construction of the ranges.

Here is a slide show/video supplied by Tony Urso showing what experienced desert shooters expect of a range open to the public. The show is about 11 minutes long. It is very well done.

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The public ranges on BLM land north of Phoenix are very restrictive.
1 posted on 03/04/2025 5:57:38 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The federal government owns way, way, way too much land.


2 posted on 03/04/2025 6:15:28 AM PST by montag813
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To: marktwain

Steel targets only, eh? And once fire weather rolls around how much you wanna bet some unelected anti-gun BLM bureaucrat shuts the ranges down due to claimed fire risk from sparks and ricochets coming off the mandatory steel targets?

(In addition to the BS like closures and no one allowed downrange that the article rightly brings up)


3 posted on 03/04/2025 6:16:24 AM PST by verum ago (I figure some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
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To: marktwain
Actually, for long range shooting those seem like reasonable rules.

They even re-paint the targets.

You wouldn't want to be down range and have someone else show up to shoot not knowing you are there.

4 posted on 03/04/2025 6:16:46 AM PST by Mogger ( 7th generation Vermonter, refugee in New Hampshire hoping NH remains sane.)
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To: marktwain

The rules of these BLM ranges would make them useless to most shooters. Perhaps that is the idea.


5 posted on 03/04/2025 6:22:46 AM PST by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist ,MAGA)
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To: verum ago
And once fire weather rolls around how much you wanna bet some unelected anti-gun BLM bureaucrat shuts the ranges down due to claimed fire risk from sparks and ricochets coming off the mandatory steel targets?

You are probably right. When I lived in that area, I shot on Forest Service land, and they routinely prohibited shooting whenever they considered it a risk for fire (often most of the year)...

6 posted on 03/04/2025 6:26:57 AM PST by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: Mogger

I’ve been to long shooting ranges - even shot at 600 and 1000 yards. The newest setups use electronic targets that broadcast your shot placement back to you on your iPad or other connected device.

Old school ranges have a pit area and the target can be raised and lowered for shot marking via ropes and a counterweight system. One shooter at the firing line, the other in the pit tending to the targets (and protected by earth and a wall). The shooter shoots, the pit person lowers the target, marks the shot with a large disk to make it obvious to the shooter, and then raises the target back up for the next shot. Each previous shot is taped over with the appropriate black or white colored tape.

The problem with steel is keeping score. I mean, it’s fine for plinking - fun, even - but you need to account for score in any sort of shooting match.


7 posted on 03/04/2025 6:30:14 AM PST by meyer (The revolution isn't just beginning. It's already won.)
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To: montag813
I'm hoping Mr. Trump will take an axe to the Interior Department, just as he plans to do with the Education Department...

;^)

8 posted on 03/04/2025 6:30:54 AM PST by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: marktwain

I stumbled into this Range last year and thought it interesting but restrictions seemed reasonable. At 100yd intervals it’s got it’s place. Out to 700 IIRC.
I’m usually bouncing pop cans at 50 yds.


9 posted on 03/04/2025 6:36:21 AM PST by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: Big Red Badger

Good to hear from someone who has been there.


10 posted on 03/04/2025 6:38:17 AM PST by marktwain
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To: montag813; marktwain

>The federal government owns way, way, way too much land.

‘Odd’. My copy of the Constitution says D.C., forts, ports, postal roads ONLY.

After the war-criminal, anti-Const. Lincoln, Teddy “environmental pioneer” R. was the beginning of the Socialist take-over of the U.S.


11 posted on 03/04/2025 6:41:44 AM PST by i_robot73 (One could not count the number of *solutions*, if only govt followed\enforced the Constitution.)
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To: marktwain

That Range was a few miles West and on the opposite side of the road from
Ben Avery shooting park.


12 posted on 03/04/2025 6:48:28 AM PST by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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One of the things the BLM did when deciding to place ranges, is to determine if they would be competing with existing ranges. Perhaps the steel target system was a way to avoid competing with Ben Avery?


13 posted on 03/04/2025 6:50:43 AM PST by marktwain
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To: montag813

Especially in Arizona. It owns just about the whole state.


14 posted on 03/04/2025 7:15:56 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Men who want to compete in women sports are no different than a wife beater in lipstick.)
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To: cpdiii

Re useless:

Does anyone really think that a repressive government would want a nation of rifleman that know how to shoot long range?

This hasn’t been grandpa‘s country for a long time… Although it might be a little closer to it at this particular moment with this particular administration.


15 posted on 03/04/2025 8:02:01 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: marktwain

SaddleBack Moutain Recreational Shooting Sports....
Closed Every Wednesday for Maintenance
Typically 7am to 6pm days a week.
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No shooting Less than 100yds !
So it’s not My kinda range
Unless I’ve got the 300yd 10-22 out !


16 posted on 03/04/2025 8:02:07 AM PST by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: Big Red Badger

The above info was from a photo I took At the Range January 3 2024


17 posted on 03/04/2025 8:06:13 AM PST by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: verum ago

We had a fire from steel-cored AK ammo being fired into the rocks in the dry desert.

It made good sparks at night, but . . .

Now BLM says we can’t.


18 posted on 03/04/2025 8:34:00 AM PST by Scrambler Bob (Running Rampant, and not endorsing nonsense; My pronoun is EXIT. And I am generally full of /S)
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To: meyer

How about points just for participating?

But, the higher those points are, the more chance of ATF coming after you.


19 posted on 03/04/2025 8:36:49 AM PST by Scrambler Bob (Running Rampant, and not endorsing nonsense; My pronoun is EXIT. And I am generally full of /S)
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To: marktwain

Nearly all of BLM and USFS land are generally open for shooting. Are people being herded into organized ranges now?

Not every day out shooting needs to be tactical Timmy working as though it’s an Olympic sport. Informal plinking is completely legitimate and should not always need to be organized by the authorities.


20 posted on 03/04/2025 8:41:49 AM PST by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI...)
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