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Zelensky Goes Rogue, Wants To Burn Ukraine To Rule Over the Ashes – Needs to Keep War and Martial Law Going To Keep His Grip on Power
Gateway Pundit ^ | February 17, 2025 | Paul Serran

Posted on 02/17/2025 10:29:19 AM PST by Macho MAGA Man

Emboldened by the European outcry against the new peace negotiations between the US and Russia, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky turns his back on the US leader Donald J. Trump, insists that he will not recognize any US-Russia peace deal that he is not involved in, and is expecting European partners to step up in today’s conference and hand him a lifeline to continue the war.

At this point, he can justly be accused of wanting to burn his country to rule over the ashes.

Zelensky needs war and needs ‘martial law’ to avoid elections. With polls favoring General Valery Zaluzhny, exiled in London as ambassador, former president Poroshenko has just been sanctioned – the President without mandate is trying to neutralize all opposition.

With the outstanding title of ‘The Mad Kind of Kiev’ John Mac Ghlionn wrote a great piece for The Hill about the comedian-turned-president:

(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: beggarofkiev; greengrifter; peacedeal; putin; trump; ukraine; zestinky
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This little dweeb needs to be taken to the woodshed.
1 posted on 02/17/2025 10:29:19 AM PST by Macho MAGA Man
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To: Macho MAGA Man

In his interview on Sunday he said Ukraine will never, ever cede territory to Russia.

And that cannot be part of any peach plan.

He’s dumb as a box of rocks.


2 posted on 02/17/2025 10:37:41 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Macho MAGA Man
If one recalls the name-calling over these last years on this forum, when one would make a distinction between the Zelenksy government and Ukraine, it was most aggressive.

As the war between non-NATO Ukraine and non-NATO Russia continues, there have formed so many informal "alliances" in Europe as with the Biden administration that it becomes difficult to "negotiate" as a combatant or the funding source of a combatant. It is wise of President Trump to toss the "hot potato" of leadership to Europe, as the feckless European NATO members have been standing around, saying to us, "you first."

Weimar 2+ and the ensuing "European" leadership get to "show their stuff." It will be most informative of their true selves.

The "officially" non-NATO war has shredded the pretense of NATO, without this nation always being handed that "hot potato.".

Zelensky and von der Leyen dreaming of an EU-commanded European army are likely to be rather angry in the next months.

3 posted on 02/17/2025 10:41:48 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Mariner

Make the deal, present to him, and either he excepts it or not.

If he doesn’t, then they are on their own.

Then seize all the money accounts the Ukies control along with assets.


4 posted on 02/17/2025 10:42:10 AM PST by crz
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To: Macho MAGA Man

The Russians are almost sure to tender up an unacceptable offer.

The US and Ukrainian governments need work together to offer something the Russians will seriously consider.

I suspect over 1,000 Russians and over 1,000 Ukrainians are getting killed each week.

They might have the peace talks in Paris and let Michael Barnier (the tough EU Brexit negotiator) lend his skills.

The Vietnam War peace talks were in Paris.


5 posted on 02/17/2025 10:43:49 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Macho MAGA Man

https://alphahistory.com/vietnamwar/vietnam-war-peace-talks/


6 posted on 02/17/2025 10:49:52 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Mariner

This is the stark problem. Those opposing a brokered peace, explain how Ukraine is ever going to get the Donbas and Crimea back. Zelenskyy may be posing, or he may truly be in denial. The lost eastern territory isn’t coming back, no matter how many people on both sides die.


7 posted on 02/17/2025 10:50:17 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Doesn’t explain how agreement was finally reached:

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3423473/long-diplomatic-wrangling-finally-led-to-korean-armistice-70-years-ago/


8 posted on 02/17/2025 10:54:32 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Macho MAGA Man

The Korean War Truce Talks: A Study in Conflict Talks: A Study in Conflict Termination

https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1958&context=parameters

That’s quite detailed.


9 posted on 02/17/2025 10:57:31 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: hinckley buzzard

Ukraine gets the territory back by making holding on to it too expensive for the Russians. There are many examples of this in history.


10 posted on 02/17/2025 10:58:01 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Zelensky has been carrying the water for globalist pedos, bio-terrorists, human/sex traffickers and money launderers.

He knows that if his power falls, it’s a short walk to the grave for him.


11 posted on 02/17/2025 11:01:02 AM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Sounds exactly like Hitler at the end.


12 posted on 02/17/2025 11:02:11 AM PST by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

WIKI

In April 1920, Piłsudski launched the Kiev offensive with the goal of securing favorable borders for Poland. On 7 May, Polish and allied Ukrainian forces captured Kiev, though Soviet armies in the area were not decisively defeated. The offensive lacked local support, and many Ukrainians joined the Red Army rather than Petliura’s forces. In response, the Soviet Red Army launched a successful counteroffensive starting in June 1920. By August, Soviet troops had pushed Polish forces back to Warsaw. However, at the decisive Battle of Warsaw (1920), Polish forces achieved an unexpected victory between 12 and 25 August 1920, turning the tide of the war. This battle, often referred to as the “Miracle on the Vistula,” is considered one of the most important military triumphs in Polish history.

The war ended with a ceasefire on 18 October 1920, and peace negotiations led to the Peace of Riga, signed on 18 March 1921. The treaty divided disputed territories between Poland and Soviet Russia. Poland’s eastern border was established about 200 km east of the Curzon Line, securing Polish control over parts of modern-day Ukraine and Belarus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War


13 posted on 02/17/2025 11:03:39 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Macho MAGA Man

WIKI

Peace talks began in Minsk on 17 August 1920, but the talks were moved to Riga, and resumed on 21 September. The Soviets proposed two solutions, the first on 21 September and the second on 28 September. The Polish delegation made a counter-offer on 2 October. Three days later the Soviets offered amendments to the Polish offer, which Poland accepted. An armistice was signed on 12 October and went into effect on 18 October 1920. The chief negotiators were Jan Dąbski for Poland and Adolph Joffe for the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic. The Soviet side insisted, successfully, on excluding non-communist Ukrainian representatives from the negotiations.

The Soviets’ military setbacks made their delegation offer Poland substantial territorial concessions in the contested border areas. However, to many observers, it looked as though the Polish side conducted the Riga talks as if Poland had lost the war. The Polish delegation was dominated by members of the National Democrats, who were Piłsudski’s political opponents. The National Democrats did not want non-Polish minorities in the reborn Polish state to constitute more than one-third of the overall population, therefore, prepared to accept a Polish-Soviet border substantially to the west of what was being offered by the Soviets even though it would leave hundreds of thousands of ethnic Poles on the Soviet side of the border.

That decision was also motivated by political objectives. The National Democrats’ base of public support was among Poles in central and western Poland. In the east of the country and in the disputed borderlands, support for the National Democrats was greatly outweighed by support for Piłsudski, and in the countryside, outside the cities, Poles were outnumbered by Ukrainians or Belarusians in those areas. A border too far to the east would thus be against not only the National Democrats’ ideological objective of minimising the minority population of Poland but also their electoral prospects. Warweary public opinion in Poland also favoured an end to the negotiations, and both sides remained under pressure from the League of Nations to reach a deal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Riga


14 posted on 02/17/2025 11:06:10 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Bshaw

Maybe he can go into exile with Assad


15 posted on 02/17/2025 11:17:21 AM PST by Cold Heart (It's a good time to be ashamed to be a democrat)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Now that money’s not flowing like water from the gullible citizens of the United States people are starting to show their true colors.

Are we seeing the real Zelensky?

We all GIVE to these hellholes but only ‘the elites’ get the rewards. And for what? For handing out OUR tax dollars? Rather than being able to pay off a political ‘family’ Trump wants these hellholes to pay back American citizens and OUR country.

Not so much fun to get us in stupid wars if the corrupt elites don’t get a cut. Might be a great incentive. IMHO


16 posted on 02/17/2025 11:25:23 AM PST by GOPJ (Democrats are the party of angry black women, sexual weirdos and white liberal elites. It's a fail.)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

It amazes me that a human could put these really ridicules concepts in print and actually believe them. The president of Ukraine and the citizens of Ukraine should without comment decide if a peace deal is beneficial to them or not. What if someone came along and told this article writer what he had to eat each day?Everyone would say that is nonsense. it is even more nonsense if a free people are told what their position on stopping a war should be.


17 posted on 02/17/2025 12:14:40 PM PST by POGO163
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To: crz

So, Russia gets to invade a country and then decide what they get when they decide to stop?

How much is Russia paying you?


18 posted on 02/17/2025 12:17:45 PM PST by POGO163
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To: Brian Griffin

The Russians are losing over a 1,000 each day! Why did Russia have to go to North Korea and Africa and China to find new soldiers?


19 posted on 02/17/2025 12:20:17 PM PST by POGO163
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To: Bshaw

Asinine comments. Proof of this? How much is Russia paying you?


20 posted on 02/17/2025 12:22:55 PM PST by POGO163
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