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Sundress is purposefully confusing Apprenticeship jobs (turned into masters) with highly skilled Engineering jobs. There’s a Huge difference in the quality between the two in America. I’ve hired plenty of both. Musk and Ramaswamy are talking about Engineers coming out of school, and their first few years on the job. NOT builders, firefighters, and Tunnel Rats.

Tunnel rats, for example, in the US can’t be beat. But it’s 95% ojt. Not advanced college degrees.

Engineers here suck straight out of school. Even ones with Masters Degrees. They simply can’t do what the ones coming from Germany, India, Hungary, etc. can do at the same age.

Why? Because our high schools suck. Because our grademschools suck. Feriners are doing calculus in the 7th grade. American kids are watching hairy crossdressers twerk. Unions and blue states and DEI crap for decades means kids don’t know basic 3 R’s like they did 50 years ago. Hence college has been dumbed down.

The smartest kids, highest achievers, in STEM fields in College are foreigners. Plain and simple. Many on Visas.

Now do you want the best Engineers built designing your new Boeing? Well guess what? Very few native Americans are good enough to keep planes from falling out of the skies. It’s sad, but true.

I’ve had H1B dudes working for me, and they really Do appreciate America more than the dude texting on his phone all day. And accomplish more.

Sorry, but thems the facts. And Mark Bradman aka Sundress is once again throwing rocks in the wrong direction.

Lot of people here and on X having a knee jerk reaction. While it’s true there is abuse in the H1B system which is badly in need of reform, the US technology industry would not survive without top foreign born talent. Just look at the team that built the Google search engine starting with the guy who coded the original version in 4 months (Amit Singhal), or the guy who started the modern AI revolution of 2022 (Ashish Vaswani) with the brilliant idea of a ‘Transformer’ (the T in chatGPT). These are people no one’s heard of but America *needs* people like them.

Sundress is purposefully confusing Apprenticeship jobs (turned into masters) with highly skilled Engineering jobs. There's a Huge difference in the quality between the two in America. I've hired plenty of both. Musk and Ramaswamy are talking about Engineers coming out of school, and their first few years on the job. NOT builders, firefighters, and Tunnel Rats.

Tunnel rats, for example, in the US can't be beat. But it's 95% ojt. Not advanced college degrees.

Engineers here suck straight out of school. Even ones with Masters Degrees. They simply can't do what the ones coming from Germany, India, Hungary, etc. can do at the same age.

Why? Because our high schools suck. Because our grademschools suck. Feriners are doing calculus in the 7th grade. American kids are watching hairy crossdressers twerk. Unions and blue states and DEI crap for decades means kids don't know basic 3 R's like they did 50 years ago. Hence college has been dumbed down.

The smartest kids, highest achievers, in STEM fields in College are foreigners. Plain and simple. Many on Visas.

Now do you want the best Engineers built designing your new Boeing? Well guess what? Very few native Americans are good enough to keep planes from falling out of the skies. It's sad, but true.

I've had H1B dudes working for me, and they really Do appreciate America more than the dude texting on his phone all day. And accomplish more.

Sorry, but thems the facts. And Mark Bradman aka Sundress is once again throwing rocks in the wrong direction.

Pretty much sums the situation up perfectly.

I do disagree that all American born engineers suck out of college but far too many do.

And you are spot on about how badly most US high school grads are educated at the time of graduation. Most are totally unprepared to succeed at the university level.

These days a serious STEM degree is more of a 5-6 year program with a year or two of intense remedial study needed to master the basics in course work and study skills that should have been taught in HS.