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Jeffries shuts down raising the debt ceiling
Politico (Yeah, I know) ^ | December 19, 2001 | Nicholas Wu and Daniella Diaz

Posted on 12/19/2024 9:53:38 AM PST by Red Badger

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To: napscoordinator

No kidding
I was thinking the same darn thing


21 posted on 12/19/2024 10:39:26 AM PST by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will)
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To: Red Badger

Give the Dems a clean bill with the 3 items Trump wants.

If it doesn’t pass and the Dems want to shut down government, let them.


22 posted on 12/19/2024 10:41:10 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Red Badger

That is BS, this has nothing to do with the amount of SS checks.
The Government will not shut down, they can still run with the existing Tax revenues that are coming in, they just can’t deficit spend.


23 posted on 12/19/2024 10:41:29 AM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Red Badger

The real problem is Health care spending which is running at least a $2 Trillion Deficit right now.


24 posted on 12/19/2024 10:42:53 AM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: napscoordinator
Every FREEPER in the past would hate raising the debt ceiling. Suddenly they are cheerleaders for it. Twilight zone territory.

Dunno about FReepers, but it seems DJT won the advantage with a 3D head fake, while Jeffries fell for it hook, line and sinker.

25 posted on 12/19/2024 10:46:48 AM PST by NautiNurse (With a cough and a sputter, the original lying dog-faced pony soldier is led out to pasture. )
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To: Captain Peter Blood

When you run scenarios about how the present system collapses “unexpectedly”, even a three week disruption in payments would close 80% of the hospitals in the country.

And, once closed, at least half won’t reopen.

This is not a comment about the budget non-process or what should be done in DC about THAT. It’s a comment about the precarious state of hospitals and how 50 years of compromises and failure to engineer a secure funding mechanism has brought us close to disaster.


26 posted on 12/19/2024 10:55:15 AM PST by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: Jim Noble

Clean CR or we are shutting down the government. Give that to the rats and let them say no deal.


27 posted on 12/19/2024 11:08:31 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Drill Baby Drill!)
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To: Salvavida
>Now cut welfare entitlements. it should be a state issue, not federal.

I hate to tell you this, but Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are Federal entitlements, which are a large component of the National Federal Debt, and it is purely up to Congress to decide if when and how these entitlements are payed out.

For "Social Security", this is clearly spelled out in Section 1104 of the original SSN act of 1935, and confirmed by the Supreme Court in Fleming vs Nestor

Medicare is just an expansion of Social Security per The Social Security Amendments Act of 1965.

As shown by the latest report from the SSN Trustees, SSN has been spending more than it has been getting from payroll taxes for at least the last two years.

This would not appear to be an issue until ~2033, when the current $2.6 trillion in special bonds held by the trust fund runs out, but the big lie is these special bonds are nothing but IOUs and the money was spent years ago.

In other words Social Security is bankrupt now, and the difference between payroll taxes and outlays for SSN is made up by income taxes !!!

28 posted on 12/19/2024 11:24:35 AM PST by SecondAmendment (The history of the present Federal Government is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations ...)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“ Clean CR or we are shutting down the government”

Big brag. You can’t even lose 3 Members assuming all are present.


29 posted on 12/19/2024 11:31:13 AM PST by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: Red Badger

The Democrat Shutdown is just days away.


30 posted on 12/19/2024 11:31:28 AM PST by Fireone (Americans have had enough. (build the gallows))
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To: Red Badger

The House needs to pass a clean extension bill, announce it to great fanfare, and then recess and go home for Christmas. Let Chuckie Schumer take it or leave it.


31 posted on 12/19/2024 11:45:59 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy ( Dementia Joe is Not My President and neither is Kackling Kamabla.)
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To: Red Badger

DOLLAR STORE OBAMA GHETTO RHUG


32 posted on 12/19/2024 1:21:19 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: NautiNurse

Hmmmm. Some head fake.


33 posted on 12/19/2024 5:27:49 PM PST by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: napscoordinator

Definitely having second thoughts about my earlier head fake theory. Crazy day.


34 posted on 12/19/2024 5:36:17 PM PST by NautiNurse (With a cough and a sputter, the original lying dog-faced pony soldier is led out to pasture. )
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To: ClearCase_guy

No debt ceiling has never limited one single $ of deficit spending - all it does is pit Republicans against Republicans while Democrats continue to spend with abandon.

Right now, because of an arbitrary debt ceiling that is just going to get raised anyway, Democrats know they will have the help of fiscally conservative Republicans in defeating any bill that does not give the D’s everything they want..

The debt ceiling is just a way for Democrats to threaten Republicans with shutdown


35 posted on 12/20/2024 1:52:15 PM PST by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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