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Sixth-generation fighter at F-35 costs? ‘That’s not going to happen,’ industry predicts.
Breaking Defense ^ | September 20, 2024 at 1:08 PM | Valerie Insinna

Posted on 09/23/2024 7:49:58 AM PDT by Fish Speaker

AFA 2024 — As the US Air Force reassesses its plans for a sixth-generation fighter jet, its top civilian said the service wants to get the price per plane down to F-35 levels, about a third of what it originally projected it would pay.

The problem, analysts and defense industry officials told Breaking Defense, is that it may not be realistic or even possible without a complete reimagining of how fighters and drones will fight together in the future.

While the Air Force has yet to set a final unit cost target for a manned Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) fighter, Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall said the F-35 represents the “upper bounds” of what the service wants to pay per aircraft, adding that the F-15EX is “roughly” in the same price category.

“I’d like to go lower, though,” he told reporters this week at the Air and Space Force Association’s air space and cyber conference. “Once you start integrating CCAs [Combat Collaborative Aircraft] and transferring some mission equipment and capabilities functions to the CCAs, then you can talk about a different concept, potentially, for the crewed fighter that’s controlling them. So there’s a real range in there.”

For those in industry, Kendall’s comments represent a major break from the Air Force’s original vision for a manned NGAD fighter.

“That’s not going to happen,” one defense industry official told Breaking Defense, adding that there are “distinct differences” in design parameters, materials and fleet sizes that drive higher costs for a sixth-generation fighter versus older, more prolific jets like the F-35 and F-15.

(Excerpt) Read more at breakingdefense.com ...


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KEYWORDS: f15ex; f35; ngad
This is another example of how the industrial complex has captured the military and is trying to dictate how much the US government will pay for what it wants.
1 posted on 09/23/2024 7:49:58 AM PDT by Fish Speaker
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To: Fish Speaker

Sure, just give the contract to Boeing.


2 posted on 09/23/2024 7:52:32 AM PDT by P8riot (You will never know Jesus Christ as a reality in your life until you know Him as a necessity.)
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To: Fish Speaker

You can buy thousands of drones for the cost of one fighter.


3 posted on 09/23/2024 7:57:12 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: Fish Speaker
The price Lockheed was trying to hit us for the F-35A was about 110 million a copy.

Trump negotiated a price of $80 million a shipset once full rate production was finally established, which was not that far from the price of a new F-16.

If the new 6th gen fighter is a single engine it should come in around 95 million.

Why?

Because we have already made all of the hard and expensive R&D investments in the key technology building blocks in the F-35 program. .

4 posted on 09/23/2024 8:04:52 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: rdcbn1
Superiority by Arthur C Clarke

Much like Kipling, some short stories are too good to be forgotten.

5 posted on 09/23/2024 8:14:24 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: texas booster

F-22


6 posted on 09/23/2024 8:20:02 AM PDT by skinny old man (Still lurking and posting after all these years(27 yrs ?)(more ?)(seems like more...))
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To: texas booster

That was a cool book - and all too true.


7 posted on 09/23/2024 8:20:05 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: Night Hides Not
You can buy thousands of drones for the cost of one fighter."

THIS! The next war is fought with drones and autonomous vehicles, killer robot dogs, unmanned hunter killer vehicles, boot on the ground will just be needed to sweep up the few stragglers that will be left.
8 posted on 09/23/2024 8:22:12 AM PDT by The Louiswu (Pray for Peace in the world.)
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To: Fish Speaker

“As the US Air Force reassesses its plans for a sixth-generation fighter jet, its top civilian said the service wants to get the price per plane down to F-35 levels, about a third of what it originally projected it would pay”

Hey, no problemo ... Just take all the money slated to continue to make all of America woke and viola, problem solved.


9 posted on 09/23/2024 8:27:57 AM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: Fish Speaker

I do not think they are even trying to produce the best product anymore. They are this greedy and corrupt.


10 posted on 09/23/2024 8:59:40 AM PDT by Captainpaintball (America needs a Conservative DICTATOR if it hopes to survive. )
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To: Fish Speaker

Anduril is going to produce hundreds of AI-piloted mini-jets for a fraction of the cost.


11 posted on 09/23/2024 9:09:50 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Night Hides Not

Those “retired generals” are expecting a big payday when they move over to the “private sector.”


12 posted on 09/23/2024 9:23:18 AM PDT by jdt1138 (Where ever you go, there you are.)
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To: Fish Speaker

Only if it is pilotless. No more McCains.


13 posted on 09/23/2024 9:48:22 AM PDT by Bookshelf
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To: jdt1138
Those “retired generals” are expecting a big payday when they move over to the “private sector.”

From mid-82 through 83, I worked at what was then known as the Air Defense Board. One thing I recall are the pictures of previous CO's at the Board. Upon retirement, the previous 6 "Presidents of the Board" landed jobs at Raytheon.

They'd all come out to "monitor" current testing activities, it was more like a HS reunion.

I enjoyed my time there, in the first job where I had implied power from day one. I was assigned as the Operations Officer by the current President. He was my Battalion Commander my last two years in Germany, I was primarily his S-4. It didn't take long for me to prove my competence to the personnel working there.

More importantly, I met my future bride when she started working in my section.

Drone warfare is the next level of combat, it's amazing to me that the Pentagon hasn't figured that out yet.

14 posted on 09/23/2024 10:39:51 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: texas booster

Bkmk


15 posted on 09/23/2024 1:31:29 PM PDT by sauropod ("This is a time when people reveal themselves for who they are." James O'Keefe Ne supra crepidam)
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To: P8riot

Maybe Elon can deliver a radical plane for less money, just like he did with the Falcon 9 booster/Dragon capsule combo for NASA. As long as it’s not an electric plane lol


16 posted on 09/23/2024 3:26:20 PM PDT by catbertz
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To: Fish Speaker

Have the Russians build it. It will be reliable and cheap.


17 posted on 09/23/2024 6:21:29 PM PDT by BobL
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Have the Russians build it. It will be reliable and cheap.

Cheap, for sure. Reliable? Reliably unreliable..
18 posted on 09/23/2024 8:42:10 PM PDT by Svartalfiar (-)
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“Cheap, for sure. Reliable? Reliably unreliable.”

Like the Space Shuttle? Good point.


19 posted on 09/23/2024 8:47:04 PM PDT by BobL
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