Posted on 08/29/2024 2:33:59 PM PDT by hardspunned
People's deputy from the party “Servant of the People” Maryana Bezugla claims that the crashed F-16 fighter jet was mistakenly shot down by Ukrainian forces.
Earlier today, US sources reported the downing of the first Western F-16 fighter jet delivered just weeks ago to the Air Force of Ukraine. The information was also confirmed by Kiev, but it is not yet clear what the reason is.
It is only known that the fighter jet crashed on August 26, Monday, when Russia launched its largest missile and drone attack since the first day of the invasion (February 24, 2022).
(Excerpt) Read more at fakti.bg ...
Not sure what that meant but our allies being better prepared for war and our keeping our manufacturing factories producing are both a great result of our alliance modernizing.
My wife and I met a group of Ukrainian boys aged 14 to 17. They were being helped by a local Ukrainian church. They all arrived using legal student Visas but none were planning on returning home anytime soon. None knew if they would ever see their homes again. Their families sent them abroad because other boys the same age had been abducted both at school and off the streets and forced into the Ukrainian military.
The people who were helping them were very concerned about keeping a low profile. If caught over-staying their Visas... unlike other illegal immigrants these boys will be immediately returned to the Ukrainian government. People here who believe that they know how Ukrainian's feel about the corrupt puppet government which has seized control could not be more wrong.
You know exactly what it meant. You and I have had these conversations before. Proxy wars are a waste of money and life, because they never end in victory, and the only individuals who win anything from them, are the politicians on both sides of the aisle who fill their pockets with money by investing in them.
Full-out war should be the last resort, but if full-war is necessary, it should be fought determinedly, with such fierceness, using whatever means necessary to ensure a quick and complete victory, not these costly proxy wars that drag on for years, with minor skirmishes that pick away at the lives of the the people fighting them, and lead to no real final solutions.
And those poor people dying for Ukraine, can't even voice their opinion about the war or their government, through the ballot box. That right has been taken away from them. How can you continue to ask a man to fight, and die for his country when you won't even allow him to vote in elections that could ensure his own, and his family's survival?
No, and your rambling doesn’t help, how do you get so far off track, you are even bringing up past posts.
You didn’t know where the F-16s are coming from and I posted a simple 2 sentence factoid for you, and now you are going all over the place about various topics you want to argue about.
Just read post 38 and leave it at that.
Great post! It is unfortunate that the persons who should benefit the most from it are so wrapped up in Biden/Harris style NeoCon idiocy that it will go completely over their heads.
Can not be true—only stupid Ruzzans shoot down their own planes. Putin Propaganda only. Ukraine is winning! In weeks Russian human wave attacks will falter and Putin will be tossed out a window as all vodka soaked Ruzzian Orks go into retreat, carrying away refrigerators and washing machines, and other modern wonders unknown in Ruzzia. After this war, Ruzzia will never be known as a great power, never again.
You have a comprehension problem, and a retention problem. I've repeatedly told you my opinions on this proxy war with Russia. You don't seem to be able to get the point of anything I've ever said. Must be you had a metal plate inserted in your head at some point in your life that rejects being able to comprehend common sense.
Thanks. ansel12 should change his screen name to anal12.
Post 38 addressed the F-16s, to help answer what you had been wondering about.
That was your post, and I already answered you at #40 with:
"Good. Let them bust their own budgets for this proxy war, and leave our taxpayer dollars alone."
You really do have a comprehension and retention problem. You seem to be on an unending cycle. Maybe better see a doctor about it.
I agree.
Most Ukrainians do not believe in fighting/dying for their US-installed government.
Rexthecat, I will attempt to articulate my position without resorting to 5th grade potty mouth. Zelensky is quite possibly a homosexual. There are several videos of him in flamboyant attire, dancing provocatively. He is definitely a degenerate and should be tried for genocide. He has destroyed more than one generations of Ukrainians. Very little of the information received about the Ukraine can be believed. The are to many emotional or financial factors involved. If Trump ever becomes president this war will be over. He does not need the kickbacks.
This thing has just about run full circle. Zelensky and his handlers portrayed his administration as a force which was going to fight corruption and keep the peace. At this point the truth has become obvious to the vast majority of Ukrainians which is why even the appearance of democratic representation has been taken away.
This boondoggle along with the Democrats and our own intelligence agencies installing an obviously cognitively impaired senile old man as the supposed leader of the free world has done irreparable damage to our image abroad. This is why Putin despite his obvious flaws is now more popular than he has ever been before anywhere in the world where Western media no longer holds a grip on the population.
Just a few years ago I would never have believed that our country could fall victim to evil the way that it now has. We have longtime participants in this forum who express neocon sentiment day after day. Their allies on the national stage are people like Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, AOC and “the squad”, and a long list of media and celebrity operatives. Most of us can see the obvious flaws in their reasoning, but they are back day after day repeating the same propaganda. Are they sincere and as unaware of reality as they portray themselves?
The truth has now revealed itself to most Ukrainians and the majority no longer “believe in fighting/dying for their US-installed government”. But irreparable harm has been done to their country which briefly had the appearance of a Republic with representative form of government. No real effort is made any longer to sustain that image. They are now little more than slaves serving their Western Intelligence agency controlled puppet state.
At the same time irreparable harm has been done to the United State's image in the world. If this is not reversed in this election cycle our descent into a dystopian future will accelerate to the point that chaos will likely be inevitable.
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