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Disturbing version: Ukraine shot down its own F-16 fighter
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Posted on 08/29/2024 2:33:59 PM PDT by hardspunned

People's deputy from the party “Servant of the People” Maryana Bezugla claims that the crashed F-16 fighter jet was mistakenly shot down by Ukrainian forces.

Earlier today, US sources reported the downing of the first Western F-16 fighter jet delivered just weeks ago to the Air Force of Ukraine. The information was also confirmed by Kiev, but it is not yet clear what the reason is.

It is only known that the fighter jet crashed on August 26, Monday, when Russia launched its largest missile and drone attack since the first day of the invasion (February 24, 2022).

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To: fireman15

I think most do not realize how many young Ukrainian men fled and are living in the EU and US.

As someone who was looking into sponsoring a Ukrainian refugee, I was stunned by how many young men were applying.


21 posted on 08/29/2024 3:42:23 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (This is the end of the Republic....because we could not keep it.)
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To: fireman15

“The average age of a Ukrainian soldier is now 45. The men who were serving in the Ukrainian army at the beginning of this “conflict” are mostly dead and have been replaced men in there 40s and beyond along with underage boys.”
Much like the German army in the east in 1945.


22 posted on 08/29/2024 3:49:59 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (Annie Savoy : The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness. )
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To: hardspunned

“Earlier today, US sources reported the downing of the first Western F-16 fighter jet delivered just weeks ago to the Air Force of Ukraine. “

Give a man a jet, and he’ll just crash it.
Make him earn it and he will have value in (of) it.


23 posted on 08/29/2024 3:51:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( )
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To: hardspunned

I haven’t head how many F-16’s Ukraine has been given. Anyone know?


24 posted on 08/29/2024 4:08:09 PM PDT by FreedomForce
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To: FreedomForce
"I haven’t head how many F-16’s Ukraine has been given. Anyone know?"

3 more than they have now.

25 posted on 08/29/2024 4:15:41 PM PDT by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: ConservativeMind
Stop spending other people’s money and seek to minimize your own deaths and loss of land.

The reason we send them so much is that we got them in this mess. WE= the greedy politicians, power-mongers,corporate heads, that have been illegally conducting business doing illegal and immoral acts that are outlawed in the US. They ran a scam on the Russian Oligarchs and Putin was tasked with getting the corruption(Western corruption cs Eastern corruption) routed and take control back over Ukraine so it could be part of the buffer zone between Russia and Western controlled countries.

It wasn't US elite solely. It was part of THE FIVE EYES group (more like 40 eyes) participating as well and that's why they have been sending weapons and money to Ukraine . 'WE' have gone from hiding the evidence to ensuring the destruction of the evidence. These people I call 'WE' care no more about the people of Ukraine than one does about a log thrown on the fire.

26 posted on 08/29/2024 4:20:42 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( )
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To: FreedomForce

6, earlier this month.

1 of the 6, lost at some point in flight after having downed a Russian target and enroute to another target.


27 posted on 08/29/2024 4:34:20 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: hardspunned

Apparently they shot down an F16 with a Patriot missile. Killed UKR pilot.

This is really the Brandon Marxist Junta war in a nutshell.

Hope Zeepers see the problem. End this war.


28 posted on 08/29/2024 4:44:25 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: hardspunned
Disturbing version: Ukraine shot down its own F-16 fighter

Zelensky's tactics: Make the Russians Laugh Themselves To Death.

29 posted on 08/29/2024 5:06:35 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: UCANSEE2

In a way, that observation does fit.


30 posted on 08/29/2024 5:09:43 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: hardspunned
Someone on another site said these planes were supplied to Ukraine by Holland and Denmark, not the U.S.. Don't know if it's true, but as of February of 2024, those two NATO countries are among many who have failed to reach the 2% minimum spending budget on their own defense they agreed to for NATO membership.

Germany is shown in this article, but has since budgeted the 2% of their gross domestic product for their own defense. This year was the first time that Germany has gotten their funding up to date since the Cold War ended.

Map shows which Nato countries fail to reach 2% minimum spending budget

31 posted on 08/29/2024 5:15:10 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: fireman15
"The average age of a Ukrainian soldier is now 45. The men who were serving in the Ukrainian army at the beginning of this “conflict” are mostly dead and have been replaced men in there 40s and beyond along with underage boys."

And not one of those dead Ukrainians, or the next ones to die, have no right to vote because elections have been banned.

32 posted on 08/29/2024 5:16:47 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: imabadboy99
fagboy zelensky would never lie to us

This site is for people who can articulate a position. The Free Republic is for smart people. Please take your 5th grade potty mouth to a site like D.U.

33 posted on 08/29/2024 5:28:10 PM PDT by rexthecat
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To: mass55th
In the Bloggers & Personal forum, on a thread titled Disturbing version: Ukraine shot down its own F-16 fighter, mass55th wrote:
Someone on another site said these planes were supplied to Ukraine by Holland and Denmark, not the U.S.. Don't know if it's true, but as of February of 2024, those two NATO countries are among many who have failed to reach the 2% minimum spending budget on their own defense they agreed to for NATO membership.

Germany is shown in this article, but has since budgeted the 2% of their gross domestic product for their own defense. This year was the first time that Germany has gotten their funding up to date since the Cold War ended.

Map shows which Nato countries fail to reach 2% minimum spending budget

Some NATO nations promised the Ukraine their old F-16's when they got their new shipment of new F-16 from Lockheed Martin (manufacturer). Lockheed production schedule is backed up big time, so MSM kept saying the Ukraine wouldn't begin to receive F-16's until the end of the year, and then they would trickle in until 2028. None of that soon enough - so I believe the US twisted arms and made some of those EU nations give up some of their old F-16's early.


34 posted on 08/29/2024 5:30:43 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: fireman15
In the Bloggers & Personal forum, on a thread titled Disturbing version: Ukraine shot down its own F-16 fighter, fireman15 wrote:

What do people expect? The average age of a Ukrainian soldier is now 45. The men who were serving in the Ukrainian army at the beginning of this “conflict” are mostly dead and have been replaced men in there 40s and beyond along with underage boys. These newcomers are not professional soldiers and do not know what they are doing. They are little more than cannon fodder in most cases and we are trying to equip them with advanced systems that take a lot of training to master.

I read that the average age of the pilots being trained how to fly aircraft, and then how to fly F-16's, was 22-24 years of age. Because the Ukraine was in a hurry, the new pilots would only receive 1/3 of the standard F-16 training. What parts did they cut out? Can't imagine being a 23 year old new pilot getting 1/3 training on the very old F-16s to go fly against more numerous veteran Russian pilots flying more newer, and better aircraft.


35 posted on 08/29/2024 5:35:49 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: FreedomForce
"Officials declined to say exactly how many jets Kyiv will receive this year, but it won’t be more than one squadron — about 20 jets — and just six pilots were projected to complete training by this summer, because the program has limited spots and has been marred by delays."

The limiting factor is pilots.

Unless some Western pilots want to try their hand in a war zone.

36 posted on 08/29/2024 5:36:22 PM PDT by kiryandil (Kraft durch Freude! - The Kamunist and The Walzrus )
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To: ransomnote
"...so I believe the US twisted arms and made some of those EU nations give up some of their old F-16's early."

Thanks for the info. So that does make it possible that the F-16's were from other member nations. Appreciate it.

37 posted on 08/29/2024 6:19:37 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: mass55th

I don’t know if the US has sent any but the Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium and Norway will be.

Our NATO allies are buying F-35s and plan to have over 600 of them by 2030.


38 posted on 08/29/2024 6:57:32 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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39 posted on 08/29/2024 6:57:52 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: ansel12
"Our NATO allies are buying F-35s and plan to have over 600 of them by 2030."

Good. Let them bust their own budgets for this proxy war, and leave our taxpayer dollars alone.

40 posted on 08/29/2024 7:02:12 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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