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BREAKING REPORT: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky Approved Operation to Blow Up the Russian Gas Nord Stream Pipeline to Europe
Gateway Pundit ^ | Aug. 15, 2024 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 08/15/2024 3:49:39 PM PDT by Kazan

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To: Kazan

He will get a medal as a “Hero of the Green Revolution.”


41 posted on 08/15/2024 5:42:02 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Strategic prudence is not the same as the law of war, which made the pipeline a legitimate target for Ukraine. And, for what its worth, Russia’s net income from fossil fuel exports is hurting and their domestic fuel market is in a pinch due to diminished supply.


42 posted on 08/15/2024 5:43:03 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Kazan

False.

Very few countries have the technical capability to pull that off, and the Ukraine is not one of them.


43 posted on 08/15/2024 5:44:29 PM PDT by GrumpyOldGuy
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To: GrumpyOldGuy

“Very few countries have the technical capability to pull that off”

Be specific. Why couldnt a few commercial divers with current equipment (modern underwater gear, sonar, gps, etc) go down 200ft to plant modern military explosives rigged as time bombs?

You are waving off the real sophistication that is commercially available and is SOP in the daily processes of industry.


44 posted on 08/15/2024 5:52:54 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Rockingham

Judging from the German criminal investigation, they deem that their economic interests and need for natural gas were violated. Maybe the real reason for the Nordstream attack is that unlike the pipelines in Ukraine, there was no economic impact for Ukraine.


45 posted on 08/15/2024 5:54:09 PM PDT by yuleeyahoo (“Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!” - the deep-state)
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To: Kazan

So... the Ukrainian grifter was involved in an attack on Germany, a NATO country. NATO is then called to retaliate against Ukraine.


46 posted on 08/15/2024 5:57:40 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Not oil, gas. Some people keep getting this mixed up. Russian oil always went out just like Saudi oil does, on tankers.

Russia has put in gas liquefaction gear and terminals on an emergency basis, and is now competing on the global LNG market. Nobody is tied to a sole source for LNG and its become a global commodity.


47 posted on 08/15/2024 6:00:16 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: SteveH

“international waters(?)”

Beyond the 12 mile limit, so international waters.


48 posted on 08/15/2024 6:01:36 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: power2

On the territory of the US so it is a crime in the US, a third party not at war with either.


49 posted on 08/15/2024 6:04:09 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: yuleeyahoo

Because it suits Ukraine to do so.
In war raison d’etat is all.


50 posted on 08/15/2024 6:05:20 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: T.B. Yoits

By law and custom its not an attack on Germany.
Its Russian property, as if it were a ship sailing under a Russian flag. That it had non-Russian participating investors as well is not relevant.

It is fair game, to be destroyed or taken as a prize of war.


51 posted on 08/15/2024 6:12:32 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: yuleeyahoo

There are always a mass of reasons, or lets say considerations. From a Ukrainian POV -

1. It is Russian property and is a loss to Russia. In war the point is to hurt your enemy.

2. It removes a point of leverage that Russia has on some Euro countries, which is against Ukrainian interests.

etc.


52 posted on 08/15/2024 6:17:36 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Don't forget that the Baltic Sea in December is an ideal place and time to charter a small yacht for a party cruise.

This story would not be believable even for the readers of DC or Marvel comics of 50 years ago.

53 posted on 08/15/2024 6:21:01 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: yuleeyahoo
The Nord Stream pipelines are more consequential in economic and strategic terms for Germany and Russia than the pipeline through Ukraine. In essence, in the Nord Stream deal, Germany got a sweet deal from Russia that gave them cheap natural gas and rich transit fees for natural gas that would be transmitted throughout Europe, especially to Italy, France, and Spain.

This would increase Russian economic and political leverage over Europe. Contemporary US concerns over Nord Stream thus parallel those in the early 1980s during the Reagan administration. There is reason to believe that the US under Reagan sabotaged some of the work on that earlier Yamal pipeline.

54 posted on 08/15/2024 6:44:08 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Wallace T.

‼️💯


55 posted on 08/15/2024 7:13:49 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️ )
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To: Wallace T.

August, not December.


56 posted on 08/15/2024 8:09:23 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Rockingham

Not Spain. There was a very limited pipeline betwèen France and Spain until very recently. The big one, to Marseilles, is still under construction. Spain was banking on LNG, building out LNG terminals from over a decade ago.

So these were always intended for export, from Spain to France.


57 posted on 08/15/2024 8:15:23 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya
Depending on demand and price, Russian natural gas via Nord Stream could dominate Europe's energy markets. As you suggest, competing sources, projects, and facilities though could fill the need instead.

Perhaps the most interesting alternative would be if Israel was able to fully develop her offshore gas fields and export to Egypt and to Europe via a pipeline to Greece and LNG carriage. Earnings could be used to rebuild Gaza when purged of Hamas.

Through control of such a flow of gas and revenues, Israel would accrue a large measure of political and economic leverage. They would apply it though to better purposes than Putin's Russia.

58 posted on 08/15/2024 10:15:04 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

It would be helpful, to a degree, if Israel developed its natural gas resources. But on the whole that would be good mainly for Israel. The current situation is that people around the world are exploiting natural gas resources, putting in LNG facilities and joining the list of exporters. LNG is turning, if it isnt already, into a global commodity.

Which is good.


59 posted on 08/15/2024 11:28:01 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Yes,

The world is really organized around three powers.

The US (the most powerful), China (our true rival) and Russia (barely a near peer and who’s economic valuable sphere of influence we are gobbling up: Iraq, Libya, Venezuela, Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Republic of Georgia, Lithuania, Syria).

The US world: https://www.pinpng.com/pngs/m/437-4376277_the-western-world-western-countries-map-hd-png.png

This is because of our economic power and influence, political influence, military might and leadership role, our cultural influence through the MSM, Hollywood, music, and big tech.

Heck, when that BLM junk was big, you actually had a chapter in Berlin Germany, a nation that never had slavery and with a black population of 1.2%: https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-sees-fresh-black-lives-matter-protest/a-53964903 How is that possible or even logical? It is because we (the US) define the West.

These three nations also without coincidence have their own version of Facebook (China, WeChat; Russia, VK), Google (China, Baidu; Russia, Yandex), etc. They have their own MSM, their own movie industry... You have three “worlds” and we are the leader of the Western one. When it came for example to Covid, each of these defined how to handle the situation. When it comes to LGBTQIAA+ each of these three blocks sort of has their own ideas...


60 posted on 08/16/2024 12:26:33 AM PDT by Red6
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