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Faculty Salaries Are Complicated
James G. Martin Center for Academic Renewal ^ | August 12, 2024 | Chris Corrigan

Posted on 08/15/2024 5:59:23 AM PDT by karpov

The Coalition for Carolina recently noted that UNC-Chapel Hill has dropped out of the top-10 “average adjusted faculty salary” rankings for the 2023-24 academic year, as measured against a select group of peer institutions. The implication from the announcement is that this is a bad thing. “We should demand to see our faculty in the top 10 in salaries, respect and shared governance,” the progressive organization declared. “It is concerning, because the quality of our faculty determines the quality of the University and the quality of education that students receive.”

Complaints about faculty salaries from within the academy often imply that lower pay means a lower commitment to teaching from the state or institution—or that the quality of instruction will decline as a result. To be clear, UNC’s nominal salaries, as calculated by a recent AAUP survey, have not declined. In fact, for the period shown (2010-11 through 2023-24), average adjusted salaries are up 27 percent. The complaint is that they haven’t risen as much as salaries at some of UNC’s “peer” institutions.

There are two problems with this facile view of faculty salaries. First, faculty pay is complicated by many factors, so that averaging salaries and comparing them across disparate institutions (even if you consider those institutions a “peer group”) is almost meaningless. Second, wages and salaries in a free-market labor system respond to various market forces and rise and fall according to how those forces operate. Implying that some institutional lack of commitment is driving faculty salaries ignores the powerful workings of the labor market.

In a free-market labor system, falling or stagnant salaries are the result of a combination of lagging demand for the product, lower productivity, or increased labor competition.

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TOPICS: Education
KEYWORDS: academia; college; education; unc

1 posted on 08/15/2024 5:59:23 AM PDT by karpov
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To: karpov
“It is concerning, because the quality of our faculty determines the quality of the University and the quality of education that students receive.”

“It is concerning, because the political reliability and class consciousness of our faculty determines the quality of the University and the degree of indoctrination that students receive.”

Fixed it.

2 posted on 08/15/2024 6:08:54 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt ( )
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Better your way.


3 posted on 08/15/2024 6:16:06 AM PDT by Liz ( )
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To: karpov
There's a huge difference in the universities definition of a good professor and the students' definition. For example, at one of the university's where I taught economics, the student newspaper said: "If you just want a good grade, take Professor X. If you want to major in econ, take Killer Jack." Prof X typically had 5-10% more students than I did with about 25% getting A's. If a student showed up for class and could still fog a mirror, they passed. Because his numbers were high, he was the darling of the administration. However, most of his students never took another econ class.

The first day of class, I asked if the students wanted me to grade on a curve using a normal distribution or a strict 90-80-70-60 grade breakdown. When they said "Curve", I pointed out that meant there would be the same number of A's and B's as there are D's and F's and 50% of the class would get C's. This was an effective way to thin the herd, as 5-10% transferred to Prof X's class.

UNC admins probably don't care about teaching. Most schools now are keeping profs who bring in grant money. The schools could care less about teaching/learning. Indeed, they have no meaningful metric on teaching effectiveness. Grant dollars, however, is a metric the understand and care about.

4 posted on 08/15/2024 6:42:12 AM PDT by econjack
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To: karpov

People who have no real responsibility, should not be making high 6 figure salaries. It’s criminal.


5 posted on 08/15/2024 6:48:24 AM PDT by vpintheak (Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug. )
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To: econjack

Unless you were teaching in the in the ‘60s or earlier, you were hurting your undergraduates by giving grades well below the average.

And you’re right about grant money. It’s how the Deep State controls Higher Ed.


6 posted on 08/15/2024 6:52:09 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Good fix.


7 posted on 08/15/2024 6:57:08 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: karpov

I don’t think it’s all that complicated. Salaries are way too high at “elite” schools and it’s pretty much the ultimate in-crowd club.


8 posted on 08/15/2024 7:00:10 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: 9YearLurker

I taught econ starting in the 70’s. I may have hurt some non-majors, but those who went on to become majors almost always fared better than those who took the easy route, so perhaps it evened out in the end.


9 posted on 08/15/2024 7:49:30 AM PDT by econjack
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To: econjack

So’s life-what’s the difference?


10 posted on 08/15/2024 8:37:12 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: 9YearLurker

How about giving them grades they earn? Just a thought. I took a Masters class, while in the Air Force (Embry-Riddle), and the professor started the class off with “you paid your fee, you will get a B”. They took advantage of the Air Force Assistance we received-we paid a low tuition, and they got the rest. They charged, conveniently enough, the max we were allotted. That was the impetus of his comment. I earned an A, but was given a B. Those at the bottom, yep, they received a B. I made copies of my grades and submitted it to the University to challenge-crickets.


11 posted on 08/15/2024 8:38:39 AM PDT by GMThrust
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To: GMThrust

If we gave today’s students the grades they earned by standards of the recent past, they would mostly fail their courses—and their profs would be out of jobs.

We, as a country, are essentially porked at this point. Most of the disaster happens in the public schools, but then the admin-heavy colleges don’t help that much on top of it.


12 posted on 08/15/2024 8:43:10 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: econjack

“lower productivity....”
From the article, referencing lower wages.

How is productivity measured in higher education?


13 posted on 08/15/2024 8:47:43 AM PDT by saleman
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To: saleman
How is productivity measured in higher education?

Alas, by publications and grant dollars. Faculty evaluations by students are an attempt, but a joke because the students equate easy teachers (i.e., high grades) with good teaching.

My undergrad college required you to take the Graduate Record Exam (GRE) in your major field, even if you weren't going to grad school. If you didn't score in the top 70% of everyone taking the exam, you didn't graduate with a degree. You got an "attendance" certificate. This is a better measure of the faulty teaching the subject matter than indoctrination of some agenda.

For what it's worth, we had 23 econ majors and the worst score was the 90th percentile. 18 of us when to grad school.

14 posted on 08/15/2024 8:59:19 AM PDT by econjack
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To: 9YearLurker
When George W. Bush was running for President, The New Yorker somehow got hold of his college transcripts at Yale and made a big deal about all his C's (he also had a fair number of B's). People didn't realize that he was a student before grade inflation, so he probably would have had a lot of A's if he had attended later.

Student evaluations began about 1970 and grade inflation started about the same time--largely fueled by student evaluations. Students are going to take it out on professors who are hard graders, or less entertaining in class. Judging a professor by student evaluations is about as valid as judging a pilot by having the passengers fill out a questionnaire.

15 posted on 08/15/2024 9:47:05 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

All fair points.


16 posted on 08/15/2024 9:55:16 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
Greedy capitalist professors indoctrinating against capitalism.

Capitalism for me but not for thee.

17 posted on 08/15/2024 10:20:02 AM PDT by Mogger (AreIn bookstores is a very expensive, beautifully bound in green leather Holy Koran. If one was goin)
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To: Mogger

Indoctrinated profs at this point.


18 posted on 08/15/2024 12:25:54 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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