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Relational database tech and politics
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Posted on 07/22/2024 10:10:00 AM PDT by ganeemead

1980s technology is not adequate for the purpose of running for election


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KEYWORDS: datamining; disruption; disruptivetech; electiondata; electionintegrity; relationaldatabase; tech; voterrolls

1 posted on 07/22/2024 10:10:00 AM PDT by ganeemead
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To: ganeemead

Teams in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Ohio are using crappy relational database to do this almost manually - taking weeks to do what quantum does in one click.

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Relational databases are a nice for querying multiple tables. It only takes a few minutes top to write a query if you know what data your cross referencing or comparing and it should take less than a minute to get your data, even with an enormous database, unless it is bogged down running a lot of queries at the same time.

Sounds more like they need a hardware upgrade on the database computers to me.


2 posted on 07/22/2024 10:14:46 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: ganeemead

Every major company runs their business using relational databases.

Throwing the words Quantum and Fractal into an article doesn’t mean you now what you are talking about.


3 posted on 07/22/2024 10:19:42 AM PDT by JSM_Liberty
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To: ganeemead

Idunno. The wheel is 4000 BC tech and it still works pretty good.


4 posted on 07/22/2024 10:23:11 AM PDT by xoxox
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To: z3n

They may be the best thing to come along in years, but that link just seems like hype-filled advertising that discredits everything that isn’t them.


5 posted on 07/22/2024 10:25:35 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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oh crud


6 posted on 07/22/2024 10:30:51 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist! )
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To: ganeemead

First, while SQL was proposed in the ‘70s, it continued t be defined and developed for years after that. It is disingenuous to describe modern SQL and other Relational DBs as 70s technology.

Second, nothing in the opening examples (finding thousands signed up to vote from a mall site) is beyond the scope of even basic relational database. It might well be beyond the scope of existing databases, which is a different matter. The db technology is worthless without useful data to plug in. Those databases are coming online all the time. They are used by mapping/gps software, credit agencies, the census bureau (who is VERY far behind in numerous ways), and none of these efforts are hampered by not having the latest and greatest database software.

The article is both long and repetitive, and complaining that Mike Lindell and Salem Media made mistakes in hiring or movie content does nothing to describe how the new technology is a game changer. If there are bad voters on the rolls, and the political/judicial process allows no good way to challenge that, a better database, fractal or otherwise, does nothing to address the underlying problem, which is a political/human problem.

By all means, develop the technology. Come up with better ways to expose real fraud, or improve existing systems, but do so without saying that everything else is worthless. Finally, describe in layman’s (or legacy db developer’s terms) exactly how this is a gamechanger.

Marshall McLuhan wrote decades ago that while the technologists came up with the newest ways to extend mass media, it took the artistic types to see how it could be used in creative ways, and where its introduction would likely extend. The same might be true in this realm. We need technologists, but also those who can see how technological tools can be employed.


7 posted on 07/22/2024 10:34:18 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: ganeemead
> Teams in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Ohio are using crappy relational database to do this almost manually - taking weeks to do what quantum does in one click.

Huh ?

This a bold claim that doesn't make much sense to me.

Do they have access to the schemas for each State's databases ?

More often than not, a poorly designed schema is the cause of problems with relational databases.

Government IT systems are encumbered with financial, legal, and institutional constraints which make their operation inefficient and difficult to use.

A new "tech stack" won't fix this, each State has layers and layers of red-tape to navigate, much of it created to favor donors like "Big Tech".

8 posted on 07/22/2024 10:41:15 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (The history of the present Federal Government is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations ...)
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To: ganeemead

It sounds too complicated to explain to the average citizen.

There may be a good way to explain it but they have not yet done it.

Maybe we need high tech assessment of voter rolls, low tech balloting and counting.


9 posted on 07/22/2024 10:41:19 AM PDT by heartwood (If you're looking for the /sarc tag, it's right here.)
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To: SecondAmendment
More often than not, a poorly designed schema is the cause of problems with relational databases.

Yup. A whole lot of the databases from the FFIEC, to take an example, are not even relational. They are fixed length, flat-file tables, sometimes with thousands of fields. You can combine these with other flat file tables to make a relational database and do some useful work, but limitations remain.
10 posted on 07/22/2024 10:45:41 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: ganeemead

This is silly. Shut up if you don’t even know anything about what you are trying to convey.


11 posted on 07/22/2024 10:48:24 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay Metal)
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To: JSM_Liberty

“Every major company runs their business using relational databases.

Throwing the words Quantum and Fractal into an article doesn’t mean you now what you are talking about.”

Agreed. Database searches are pretty quick and can be programmed to run. The problem is not with the software or hardware.

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“Teams in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Ohio are using crappy relational database to do this almost manually - taking weeks to do what quantum does in one click.”


12 posted on 07/22/2024 10:48:48 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: ganeemead
Although obscured by vagueness and mystification, their method is useful but not unique. In essence, they create a large set of well-chosen relational databases and records and then display the connections visually through a link diagram.

The analysis of those links can in turn reveal things that should not be: voters registered at a business address; far too many mail ballots going to a single residential address; people who are dead getting registered; a flood of mail ballot requests from people who do not usually vote; and so on.

Further analysis may then show that such irregularities are tied to a particular organization or are processed by certain employees in the registrar's office or are logged at hours when the office is closed.

13 posted on 07/22/2024 12:21:40 PM PDT by Rockingham
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It just doesn't matter when a given state allows(2) versions of the 'relational' voter registration database. One version has all the dead, moved, and illegal aliens in it; the other version is 'clean' enough to present publicly at election time, but reverts to crap after the elections are over.

This would be easily stopped if a law required all states to present a copy of their voter rosters used on Election Day for later reference if complaints are filed.

14 posted on 07/22/2024 12:51:35 PM PDT by RideForever (Damn, another dangling par .....)
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To: ganeemead

Codd’s 12 rules

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codd%27s_12_rules


15 posted on 07/22/2024 1:12:28 PM PDT by CodeJockey (I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.)
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To: ganeemead

I was shocked to learn that an even older technology is still being used in all elections - addition.


16 posted on 07/22/2024 2:16:46 PM PDT by fruser1
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To: lefty-lie-spy
"Shut up if you don’t even know anything about what you are trying to convey."

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17 posted on 07/22/2024 3:30:12 PM PDT by ganeemead (everything )
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To: ganeemead
The claims in this article are very hopeful for the long run, should we get there before national collapse.
Lord, please spare your core constitutional republican American citizens through the coming election, the scouring of the Deep State, and the rebuilding of public confidence.
The article says, “Disruptive always takes out obsolete.” And while I agree, in my experience, the disruptors often do not survive the disruption, either. But this team sounds highly experienced—and I like their non-partisan vow: “The Fractal team accepts no donations from any political organization. If you choose to subscribe to our newsletter - 100% is donated to animal rescue charities.”
18 posted on 07/23/2024 8:45:06 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Marshall McLuhan wrote decades ago that while the technologists came up with the newest ways to extend mass media, it took the artistic types to see how it could be used in creative ways, and where its introduction would likely extend. The same might be true in this realm. We need technologists, but also those who can see how technological tools can be employed.

Very insightful. In a past professional gig, I learned about a team of futurists connected to high-level leaders of a multinational software developer. The software execs made a splash at industry conferences with the resultingly foresightful approach to selling global systems.

19 posted on 07/23/2024 8:55:26 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: Albion Wilde

Donald Trump appears to have figured out that the next step in AI has to be treated as what it is, i.e. a 2024 version of the Manhatten Project.


20 posted on 07/23/2024 11:34:23 AM PDT by ganeemead (everything )
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