Posted on 07/15/2024 3:08:46 PM PDT by Freeleesy
Senator Vance Blasts President Biden’s “incoherent” Handling Of Israel-hamas War May 12, 2014:
... ‘why are Palestinian civilian casualties so high?’ It’s because Hamas started the war and now, they hide behind Palestinian civilians. So if you want to learn the lessons of the last 40 years, the most important thing is we have to defeat Hamas as a viable military organization. You’re never going to defeat the ideology of Hamas, but you can root out those commanders, those final military-trained battalions, and I think you should empower the Israelis to do it.”
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Vance used his speech to differentiate his opposition to Ukraine aid from his steadfast commitment to Israel. “I’m supportive of Israel and their war against Hamas. I certainly admire the Ukrainians who are fighting against Russia, but I do not think that it is in America’s interest to continue to fund an effectively never-ending war in Ukraine,” Vance said. “It’s sort of weird that this town assumes that Israel and Ukraine are exactly the same. They’re not, of course, and I think it’s important to analyze them in separate buckets.”
While Vance has distinguished himself as a leading voice against U.S. support for Ukraine in its war against Russia, he has held firm in his support for Israel. He criticized President Joe Biden for delaying offensive weapons transfers and potential sales to Israel while trying to avert a full-scale Rafah invasion earlier this month, and dug in during Thursday’s address on why the America First platform he aligns himself with requires a strong relationship with Israel. “If we’re going to support Israel, as I think that we should, we have to articulate a reason why it’s in our best interest,” Vance said.
“Israel is one of the most dynamic, certainly on a per capita basis, one of the most dynamic and technologically advanced countries in the world,” Vance went on, citing work done on Israel’s end to “actually give us missile-defense parity. That’s a very important national security objective of the United States of America, and that’s something we’re working with one of the most innovative economies in the world to accomplish.”
“We have to sort of ask ourselves, what do we want out of our Israeli allies? And more importantly, what do we want out of all of our allies writ large? Do we want clients who depend on us, who can’t do anything without us? Or do we want real allies who can actually advance their interests on their own with America playing a leadership role,” he continued. Vance added that one of the main reasons Americans support Israel is because the United States is a majority-Christian country, and “a majority of citizens of this country think that their Savior, and I count myself a Christian, was born and died and resurrected in that narrow little strip of territory on the Mediterranean.” He then slammed backers of the war in Iraq for “precipitat[ing] the genocide of one of the oldest Christian communities in the entire world.”
The Ohio senator explained that emboldening Israel and allied Sunni Arab nations would serve as a “regional counterweight to Iran” and prevent a wider conflict from developing — thereby lessening the odds of a regional war that would necessitate greater American involvement.
“The way that we get there in Israel is by combining the Abraham Accords approach with the defeat of Hamas. That gets us to a place where Israel and the Sunni nations can play a regional counterweight to Iran,” Vance said. “We don’t want a broader regional war. We don’t want to get involved in a broader regional war. The best way to do that is to ensure that Israel, with the Sunni nations, can actually police their own region of the world. That allows us to spend less time and resources on the Middle East and focus more on East Asia, in the same way that we want our own allies to do the job in Europe [with Ukraine].”
Vance noted that while it’s “reasonable” for some people to argue that Hamas and Islamic radicalism can never be permanently defeated as an ideology, he said that the U.S. and Israel can still destroy each terror group “as a functioning military apparatus.”
ya that’s pretty much my position too.
“Senator Vance Blasts President Biden’s “incoherent” Handling Of Israel-hamas War May 12, 2014:”
Not nitpicking but the editors meant 2024 not 2014.
Long-time Republican Plank.
JD should become a FReeper.
So, if Venezuela invades Guyana next week (As it's speculated they may.), we have to hate Guyana?
And when Russia invaded Afghanistan in 1979, Reagan should have been anti-Afghanistan, or he was part of the war?
What if he already is?
I’m pro-Israel and pro-Ukraine. But the latter means I want long-term peace and stability for Ukraine, and that means them making up with their neighbor and breaking from their puppet-state status with NATO. There is a deep-seated hatred for the Ukrainian people at some level in the minds of the neocons who keep cynically pushing this war forward.
Anyone who doesn’t understand the Israeli influence over the deepstate, isn’t serious about getting rid of the deepstate.
“ya that’s pretty much my position too.”
And it is with most FReepers (myself included) - pro-Israel, and neutral on Ukraine. The NeverTrumpers will say that they support Trump, but still HATE RUSSIA, but give lip service to Israel (and now say that JD Vance was a bad pick, although they won’t say it’s because, like Trump, he’s neutral on Ukraine). And there are a few here, not many, thankfully, that hate both Ukraine and Israel.
As I see it, when faced with a entity that simply wants to wipe you off the map (Hamas), there is no ‘middle ground’, no ‘negotiation’ - either you eliminate the threat, or march yourself into their death chambers.
I’ll be glad to see Vance out of the Senate, not least because he’s mouthing the “abandon Ukraine” rhetoric fed to him by a handful of rabid isolationists.
He came in a total naif about foreign policy, and he hasn’t improved.
Same.
Plus, as Ukraine war shows the power of drones and the vulnerability of surface ships, I’ve also realized that the days of large carrier groups may be ending, at least anywhere but the deep blue sea.
That makes Israel, our unsinkable aircraft carrier, all the more important in the area. We need its bases, people, missile defense, supply storage, and FOB status.
That pretty much sums up Russia's long term goals for us, too.
I think the the foreign policy of the U.S. should be to try to get along with all nations and to utterly destroy any nation that %#@& with us. No nation building, no help with recovery, just destroy their ability to attack us and then walk away. We would only have to do it once.
I think the key point is who sent troops across a sovereign border first.
Russia sent troops across a sovereign border first. Hence, Russia is the bad guy.
Hamas sent troops (terrorists, actually) across a sovereign border first. Hence, Hamas is the bad guy.
The only question is how much the United States should be involved. If the squabble is not in our core interests, our involvement should be minimal. We cannot afford to be the policeman of the world.
“That pretty much sums up Russia’s long term goals for us, too (wipe us off the map).”
Link please.
Key statement:
“I certainly admire the Ukrainians who are fighting against Russia, but I do not think that it is in America’s interest to continue to fund an effectively never-ending war in Ukraine,“
Congrats to Senator Vance….now lose that ugly beard.
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