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To: Blue Highway
FReepers here have little evidence for their accusations against Vivek.

As far as natural born citizen (NBC), read on...

NBC is a legal issue. Vivek Ramaswamy was born on August 8, 1985 in Cincinnati, Ohio to parents who were in the U.S. legally but not U.S. citizens. The U.S. Supreme Court (SC) has ruled that someone who is born on U.S. soil is an NBC if at the time of his birth, his parents were in the U.S. legally but not U.S. citizens. Therefore, according to the mandatory legal authority of sound constitutionally-based SC ruling and precedent, Vivek is an NBC.

Detailed argument

Since around 1900, (SC) rulings have become less and less valid because SC has gradually moved away from basing their decisions on the Constitution as written and originally understood and intended. But their ruling on NBC appear to be based on sound application of the Constitution.

In Perkins v. Elg, 99 F. 2d 408, Court of Appeals, Dist. of Columbia Circuit 1938, the Court of Appeals noted as part of the basis for their decision that...

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 18 S. Ct. 456, 42 L. Ed. 890, 1898 [found that] [W]hen the Constitution was adopted the people of the United States were the citizens of the several States for whom and for whose posterity the government was established. Each of them was a citizen of the United States at the adoption of the Constitution, and all free persons thereafter born within one of the several States became by birth citizens of the State and of the United States.

It appears the Supreme Court in Elg (1939) agrees with Ark (1898).

(Both Marie Elizabeth Elg and Wong Kim Ark were born on U.S. soil to parents who were here legally but not U.S. citizens.)

Again, the Constitution is properly applied as written and ORIGINALLY UNDERSTOOD and intended. What matters is what the ratifiers of the Constitution considered an NBC was. The Supreme Court decisions based on the good-faith and sound finding of original understanding of NBC in the Constitution is, therefore, legal precedent concerning NBC. Thus, Vivek should be considered an NBC.

Some argue that the term "NBC" is not specifically used in Ark or Elg, but these cases revolve around citizenship based on birth on U.S. soil, which is exactly what NBC is. An NBC is a citizen automatically because he was born on U.S. soil. He is “naturally” and automatically a citizen needing no further processing to become a U.S. citizen. He becomes a citizen under “natural” (birth) circumstances, exactly as Elg, Ark, and now Vivek.

31 posted on 06/23/2024 7:57:48 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jim W N

So basically an anchor baby is legally a NBC and I don’t agree with that.


55 posted on 06/23/2024 8:29:47 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Jim W N

In other words, for example, you believe that all those babies born from the millions illegals Biden is importing into the United States are NBCs.

You are insane.

How did Eisenhower manage to deport his millions of illegals?


67 posted on 06/23/2024 9:20:16 AM PDT by odawg
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To: Jim W N

” What matters is what the ratifiers of the Constitution considered an NBC was.”

The Immigration Act of 1790 directly defines what a NBC is — one born of citizen parents, as generations of Americans have been taught, up until just before Obama. Now everyone claims to not know that. The Act was written a year after adoption of the Constitution.

Much is made of the fact that the Constitution does not define what a NBC is. The Constitution does not define ANY legal term and uses legal terms understood by everyone.

People have claimed that anyone born in the U S is a NBC. That was before the Biden-led invasion magnifies the absurdity of the idea.


69 posted on 06/23/2024 9:50:15 AM PDT by odawg
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To: Jim W N

Complete and utter nonsense on many counts. The first of which is the very purpose for inserting the natural-born citizenship requirement into the Presidential qualification clause in the first place.

Secondly, the definition of a “natural” citizen at birth as opposed to citizenship at birth bestowed by the plenary power of the state.

Lastly, statutory construction tells us a general clause (i.e. 14A §1 Citizens at birth) can not govern a specific clause (i.e. No Person except a natural-born citizen — Art. II, §1, Cl. 5). Until Congress specifically states via its constitutional authority that “all citizens at birth are natural born citizens,” the court MUST give each clause a separate legal effect. Simply put: “While all-natural citizens are citizens at birth, not all citizens at birth are natural citizens.” That is to say, all Art. II, §1, Cl. 5 natural-born citizens are citizens by natural right, while all 14A §1 Citizens at birth are citizens by positive law.


78 posted on 06/23/2024 11:22:11 AM PDT by batazoid (Plainclothes cop at Capital during Jan 6 riot...)
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