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Deep State Pushing Trump VP Choices as Secret Service Ramps Up Security Detail
The Last Refuge - Conservative Treehouse ^ | June 21, 2024 | Sundance

Posted on 06/23/2024 7:20:33 AM PDT by jacknhoo

A couple of quick hot points from the 2024 presidential race and Trump side of the equation.

♦ First, we can ignore all of the typical pre-debate banter about who is doing what in the lead-up to the Trump v Biden debate. Every cycle the debate narratives are pushed for clicks and attention; almost all of it is manufactured nonsense and false.

Actual, professional, presidential debate teams do not leak information about their debate prep activity to the media. The only information released is from campaign players who want the other side to see, hear and waste time preparing for imaginary nonsense. All of the pre-debate stuff, banter, punditry and column inches are one big mind game of misinformation. Ignore all of it.

♦ Second, the DC system that created Mike Pence as the best option for Trump 2016 is the same system pushing Vance, Rubio and Burgum for 2024. [Example HERE] The intent with Pence 2016 is the same intent with Vance, Rubio and Burgum ’24. I’m cautiously optimistic President Trump is well aware of this.

Seriously, how many times have you heard me repeat the warning: NEVER TRUST A NEVER-TRUMPER. Yet, time and time again people get wooed back, deny their instincts, dismiss the intellectual reality and drop their guard. Every single time the Trump supporters get burned.

This is not complicated folks. The Never-Trumpers do not change position, have an awakening, trip over some “come to Jesus” moment, engage in self-reflection, or otherwise evolve to stop thinking that Donald Trump is the end of their world. Never-Trumpers espoused that opinion, because Never-Trumpers saw value in holding that opinion. It is simple and should be accepted.

Those who claimed Trump was/is horrible, terrible, egotistical, evil and all the other adjectives to describe their sentiments, do not suddenly have a change in perspective. What changes them are changes in the instructions they are given. They begin praising Trump because there is new value in stating that opinion. NEVER, EVER Trust a never-Trumper. The stakes are too high.

♦ Third, apparently the secret service is increasing the security detail around President Trump.

Kelly O’Donnell: “Secret Service is ready to add new protectee detail for Trump running mate. USSS is also increasing size of Trump detail beyond level for formers. Official said, “The Secret Service detail has been bulked up by additional special agents and support teams to ensure the highest level of security for not only the event sites but the travel in between events.” (source)

Generally speaking, the current DC system operators, that are referred to as the ‘Biden administration’, have no motivation to protect Donald Trump other than their sense of personal responsibility to the nation President Trump represents.

Given the effort that Tucker Carlson has put into mainstreaming thoughts around the ‘killing of Trump‘, I am cautious to view any Secret Service effort through the prism of professional altruism.

I pray for the safety of President Trump and his family daily, because I am very clear-eyed about the nature of the enemy he faces.


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To: Jim W N

I didn’t say Vivek was an anchor baby. I was just equating an anchor baby to someone who was born in the US, but their parent’s weren’t. If it were up to me none of them would be considered NBC.


61 posted on 06/23/2024 8:36:31 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Blue Highway

Well, it’s not up to you or me but the Constitution as written and originally understood and intended - The Rule of Law, what the liberties of America are all about.


62 posted on 06/23/2024 8:40:12 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jim W N

Will the lax immigration with Biden allowing illegals in by the millions, what good is the constitution in stopping this criminality?


63 posted on 06/23/2024 8:44:54 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: jacknhoo

JD Vance, Rand Paul and Tucker Carlson are my list of acceptable (not NeoCon) VP’s.


64 posted on 06/23/2024 8:45:24 AM PDT by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: jacknhoo

JEB!

(Do I really need one?)


65 posted on 06/23/2024 8:50:22 AM PDT by OKSooner (Trump, the first Punk President.)
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To: Trumpisourlastchance

Rand > JD


66 posted on 06/23/2024 8:51:04 AM PDT by OKSooner (Trump, the first Punk President.)
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To: Jim W N

In other words, for example, you believe that all those babies born from the millions illegals Biden is importing into the United States are NBCs.

You are insane.

How did Eisenhower manage to deport his millions of illegals?


67 posted on 06/23/2024 9:20:16 AM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg

Try again.

Vivek in not an “anchor baby”. An anchor baby has parents who are not legally in the U.S.


68 posted on 06/23/2024 9:37:10 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jim W N

” What matters is what the ratifiers of the Constitution considered an NBC was.”

The Immigration Act of 1790 directly defines what a NBC is — one born of citizen parents, as generations of Americans have been taught, up until just before Obama. Now everyone claims to not know that. The Act was written a year after adoption of the Constitution.

Much is made of the fact that the Constitution does not define what a NBC is. The Constitution does not define ANY legal term and uses legal terms understood by everyone.

People have claimed that anyone born in the U S is a NBC. That was before the Biden-led invasion magnifies the absurdity of the idea.


69 posted on 06/23/2024 9:50:15 AM PDT by odawg
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To: Dilbert San Diego
And there is clearly no Free Republic census on what natural born citizenship means.

Has there been anything from the Supreme Court to clear up anything on this front?
70 posted on 06/23/2024 10:06:38 AM PDT by Reynoldo (BurnLootMurder)
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To: odawg

Quote via The Conservative Treehouse:

John Bingham, framer of 14th Amend. – “I do not stand here to cavil with men who are not read in the horn-books of the law; but I assert that every man born within the limits of the Republic, or under its flag at sea, of parents who were not the subjects of any other sovereignty, are, in the very words of the Constitution, natural born citizens.”

Rep Bingham quote is from Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 407 (1862)

Enter in 407, click Turn to image, and look at the end of the first and beginning of the second column:
https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=058/llcg058.db&recNum=64


71 posted on 06/23/2024 10:07:53 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: odawg

NBC was settled by sound constitutionally-based Supreme Court decisions as cited and based on those sound decisions, Vivek is an NBC (not “anyone born in the U.S. is an NBC” as you say).

Carefully re-read post #31 and/or carefully read the cases cited.


72 posted on 06/23/2024 10:10:25 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jim W N

I am not a lawyer but I have read research written by “sound” (to use your language which you obviously intend to mean the final word) constitutional lawyers and those cases you cited don’t mean what you say they mean, and I have noticed that it is completely useless to discuss the concept on Free Republic.

As I have stated, generations of Americans have been taught that a NBC refers to people born of citizen parents, and I was taught that as late as about 1972 by a college professor at the college I attended.

I have been intending to go the the School Board office and see if they have any old history books. They use to. Now, however, it is a trend for people to pretend not to know things.


73 posted on 06/23/2024 10:17:31 AM PDT by odawg
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To: jacknhoo

Trump should formally announce a short list to let the press and public have at it.

A few days before the convention Trump should announce the person.

Quote:

Upon her departure from the administration, President Trump described Sarah [Huckabee] as “irreplaceable,” a “warrior” and “very special person with extraordinary talents, who has done an incredible job.

https://www.sarahforgovernor.com/about/

Others wrote here yesterday:

“Vance is brilliant, quick on his feet and articulate. Burgum will not add one single vote across America, decent as he appears to be.”

“I’d go with Rubio or Scott. The others won’t add anything to the ticket. It’s more important to win than to get the right successor. Actually I think Tim Scott adds most to the ticket. He’d help in PA, and PA is the essential state to win. If Trump wins PA, then he wins.”


74 posted on 06/23/2024 10:18:36 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Starboard

A lot of folks go to DC thinking they have courage.

By the time the Deep State is done collecting a blackmail file on them they find out otherwise.


75 posted on 06/23/2024 10:33:02 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: Reynoldo

No I don’t think there’s been any ruling from the Supreme Court, on the specific issue of people running for president, and their status as natural born citizens.

In order for that to happen, someone somewhere , will have to file suit against Vivek or Marco Rubio, or someone in the future, with the lawsuit claiming that they are not natural born citizens. Then eventually the Supreme Court would rule on such a case.

In the absence of a lawsuit by someone claiming that these people are not natural born citizens , the assumption would be that they are by virtue of being American citizens by birth.


76 posted on 06/23/2024 10:57:40 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Reynoldo

Whenever SCOTUS has mentioned a “natural-born citizen” it has always been the offspring of citizen-parents. This makes perfect sense. The offspring of citizen-parents born solely within the jurisdiction naturally inherit the citizenship of their parents.


77 posted on 06/23/2024 11:02:08 AM PDT by batazoid (Plainclothes cop at Capital during Jan 6 riot...)
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To: Jim W N

Complete and utter nonsense on many counts. The first of which is the very purpose for inserting the natural-born citizenship requirement into the Presidential qualification clause in the first place.

Secondly, the definition of a “natural” citizen at birth as opposed to citizenship at birth bestowed by the plenary power of the state.

Lastly, statutory construction tells us a general clause (i.e. 14A §1 Citizens at birth) can not govern a specific clause (i.e. No Person except a natural-born citizen — Art. II, §1, Cl. 5). Until Congress specifically states via its constitutional authority that “all citizens at birth are natural born citizens,” the court MUST give each clause a separate legal effect. Simply put: “While all-natural citizens are citizens at birth, not all citizens at birth are natural citizens.” That is to say, all Art. II, §1, Cl. 5 natural-born citizens are citizens by natural right, while all 14A §1 Citizens at birth are citizens by positive law.


78 posted on 06/23/2024 11:22:11 AM PDT by batazoid (Plainclothes cop at Capital during Jan 6 riot...)
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To: Blue Highway

*Is Burgum anti-deep state?*

Don’t ask me. All I know is there is no heavy lifting running either Dakota.


79 posted on 06/23/2024 11:24:18 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Starboard

Having been associated with construction crews in his professional business life, he’s not afraid to actually touch and look into the eyes of ordinary working people, union or otherwise. He has caused the employment of more people, minorities and others, than any pol on the planet, and without raising taxes or increasing the size of government.


80 posted on 06/23/2024 11:25:15 AM PDT by DPMD (.)
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