Posted on 06/03/2024 1:51:41 AM PDT by JosephJames
Just for the record:
The “Catholic Church” isn’t the true “Church”
I know you disagree with that truth.
You have free will.
One choice you make in life makes an eternal difference.
“Just for the record: The ‘Catholic Church’ isn’t the true ‘Church’”
Right. It’s more accurately called the “Catholic denomination”.
I notice that this meeting was held in Perugia. My cousin has been a Baptist minister in Perugia since the ‘70s. He has had some interesting conversations with some of the Priests there.
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” They answered him, “We are offspring of Abraham and have never been enslaved to anyone. How is it that you say, ‘You will become free’?” Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
With Mary (the “mother of God) guiding everyone (instead of the Holy Spirit), saving the world through the rosary and scapular (instead of through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ), and communication with passed saints (demonic posers), this isn’t even a denomination. It’s truly a heretical cult of half-truths that bolsters dangerous deception.
Ask him if its objectively true that there is nothing that is objectively true.
True. A powerful cult with its foundation in the ancient mother-son co-redemptrix pagan sects.
The Catholic Church is not a denomination. Denominations are those diverse chiefly Protestant communities of faith that exist precisely because they are in one way or another different from the rest.
The Catholic Church does not exist in order to protest something or differ from something. It is, quite simply, The Church.
Now, due to some unfortunate historical events, the Church is in disunity. The separated parts of the Church are the Eastern Orthodox local churches. But neither we, nor they, call them “denominations”. They are true Churches, we share the same historical root with them our theologies are identical or at least highly compatible (depending on whom you ask), we all grieve that we are not yet united, and one day we will be.
A community of faith is a church not by nominating it so, but through continues historical succession of her bishops from the Holy Apostles. It, further, is in unity will all Catholic or Orthodox Christians who died and went to heaven; they comprise the Communion of Saints. Most importantly, a church is united with Christ mystically through the Holy Eucharist. When a communion is celebrated in a non-Catholic (nor Orthodox) worship, no real presence of Christ occurs in the bread or wine (or grape juice). So sometimes we speak of the Church as a single communion of all saints united through our sacraments; and sometimes we speak of churches such as the Roman Catholic church, or Greek Orthodox church, etc. We also refer to the pre-chalcedonian churches, such as Armenian or Coptic as churches, again because of their historical succession form the Apostles.
Denominations is a Protestant idea and should properly be used in the context of Protestant communions of faith.
When we need to speak of all Christian communions of faith, regardless of the validity of sacraments or degree of apostolic succession, if you don’t like “communion of faith”, you can use its synonym, “confession”. E.g. Baptist confession, Methodist confession, Catholic confession.
Ken, just for the record, the Catholic Church, along with the Eastern Orthodox, the Oriental Orthodox and the Assyrian Church is the One True Church.
Founded by God at the Pentecost in 33 AD.
Jesus left us a Church, not a book. Jesus Himself is the Word of God
For the record, I see what you imagined.
Nah, it’s a historical fact - the Catholic/Orthodox church was founded by Jesus at the Pentecost in 33 AD.
Imaginations are all the modernist philosophies since the early 1800s - Mormonism, Dispensationalism, jehovahw Witnesses, seventh Day Adventists, Christadelphians, Christian scientists, Oneness pentecostals etc. etc.
For the record, I see what you imagined.
Eternal damnation is set before those who perish in their imaginations and false delusions.
2 Thes 2:11
Enjoy your pleasure while it lasts.
Have your last word now:
We will all find out after death, but after death it will be too late to change our minds for all eternity!
The poor priests brainwashed today are not able to even understand your question. Their brains have been fried!
You might find interesting another article that I wrote:
Priests Systematically Brainwashed
https://spir-food.blogspot.com/2019/12/priests-systematically-brainwashed.html
You have probably read also this:
The Prophecy of Fr. Joseph Ratzinger in 1969
“We will soon have reduced priests to the role of social workers and the message of faith reduced to political views. Everything will seem lost, but at the right moment, right in the most dramatic stage of the crisis, the Church will be reborn. She will be smaller, poorer, almost catacombal, but even more holy. For it will no longer be the Church of those who seek to please the world, but the Church of the faithful to God and His eternal law. Rebirth will be the work of a small remains, seemingly insignificant yet indomitable, passed through a purification process. Because that’s how God works. Against evil, a small flock resists. “
The Catholic Church, which has over 1.3 billion members or 50.1% of all Christians worldwide, is not a denomination, but the original pre-denominational Church.
The total non-Catholic western Christian population has reached around 1.047 billion in 2024, accounting for about 39.8% of all Christians.
The total number of Baptists in all of Italy is 15,000, so the number in Perugia is probably around 1 to 5 thousand - small and unappealing.
I went to Baptist buildings for services in the UK, Texas, Tennessee and Delaware and it seemed incomplete, about half a mass - focusing on the Divine Liturgy or singing the psalms to the exception of the wider worship of God.
The weirdest thing was the way the Baptist services put the pastor at the center - which is strange compared to orthodoxy where Jesus is front and center.
To Catholic and Orthodox eyes (and also when I’ve asked an Ethiopian Oriental Orthodox), this seems mis-focused on the preacher man rather than on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Who made you a judge of souls?
Catholic Church is a denomination or, more specifically, a cult. A human’s words and teachings takes priority over God and His Word. Making up stuff that is extra-Biblical is a definite sign of a cult.
The only “pre-denominational” group was/is the entire church body, i.e., “catholic”, not “Catholic”.
Total membership is not a factor in the designation of “denomination”. Where in the world did you ever get the idea that the two were connected?
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