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To: ansel12

If there was domestic violence and some authoritative voice says “police”, it probably is a police officer.

If you have a gun in your hand, expect police to shoot.

In this situation, the police have reason to believe violence has already happened.

Also, if you were involved in domestic violence, you don’t want to have a gun at hand because you might want to shoot your domestic partner.

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23 posted on 05/15/2024 6:00:19 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

To repeat, cops need to be told that this modern kill everything in front of me and then sort out what the situation was is over.

Cops need to return to the time when they knew that a lot of the burden of risk was on them, cops didn’t used to just gun everyone and their dog, you called cops to calm things, not to kill your drunken uncle, or retarded son, or your Golden Retriever, or yourself.

Those awkward seconds at that front door should have been the cop’s burden of risk, instead he murdered an innocent man answering his front door.


25 posted on 05/15/2024 6:08:51 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Brian Griffin; ansel12
If there was domestic violence and some authoritative voice says “police”, it probably is a police officer.

If you have a gun in your hand, expect police to shoot

There was no domestic violence occurring in the dead man’s apartment

He was alone in his apartment talking on the phone with his girlfriend

He had no reason to expect the police that day.

Also note in the article that the cop stood out of view of the peep hole when he knocked so the man could not confirm that it was a cop at the door.

Given that criminals pretend to be police to commit home invasions these days I consider it reasonable to answer the door with a firearm in hand.

This cop was pumped on adrenaline and committed manslaughter.

54 posted on 05/15/2024 3:37:28 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Brian Griffin

I think the victim was completely oblivious to the domestic disturbance that the cops were checking on. Wrong address....


60 posted on 05/15/2024 5:37:19 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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