Posted on 03/26/2024 8:59:16 PM PDT by jfd1776
We haven’t had that happen here yet FWICS. No need to give them any ideas.
Oh, logic and reason, again./sarc
Wait...What?🤔
Sure, sure, sure... It’s a “shovel ready job” that will “build back better” A 100% democrat slush fund that will last for decades.
Nimitz Class aircraft carrier, for comparison.
Displacement 100,020 long tons (112,020 short tons)[1][2]
Length
Overall: 1,092 feet (332.8 m)
Waterline: 1,040 feet (317.0 m)
Beam
Overall: 252 ft (76.8 m)
Waterline: 134 ft (40.8 m)
Draft
Maximum navigational: 37 feet (11.3 m)
Limit: 41 feet (12.5 m)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nimitz
There are already tunnel routes nearby. The bridge is mainly to allow trucks carrying hazardous materials to pass through. Hazmat in a tunnel is a no-no.
After 9-11, I understand that there were recommendations for bumper barriers to protect the bridge but the installation of them.was deemed too expensive. There are other Atlantic Coast cities like Norfolk, New York, and Jacksonville, that have bridges over harbor entrances. How secure are those bridges from accidents or sabotage?
Yes, but what if your tunnel tragically collapses, trapping all those bureaucrats inside???
Yes, but what if your tunnel tragically collapses, trapping all those bureaucrats inside???
The benefits of a bridge that is used by 30,000+ vehicles every day are enormous. If the danger of ships striking the bridge is so severe that decisions about the bridge itself must be considered, then a more likely scenario for the residents of the Baltimore area would be to close or move the PORT instead.
This great scene from the movie "Margin Call" illustrates the benefits of a bridge perfectly:
Mercedes “think” remained glued to the notion, “Some engine leaks are to be expected.”
Some others think otherwise, and some of them devoted years of trials . . . working out the kinks, per vehicle.
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Supposedly there had been talk years ago of building a ring-road or business by-pass for I95, but nothing ever came of it. So the highway that people will have to use now is already overcrowded and not in great shape.
I think it makes a lot of sense not to rebuild the bridge, but they’ve got to get working on creating an alternative.
I don’t live in Baltimore and haven’t been there for years, btw, so whatever comments I make are just from having read about the situation and I may be completely off base.
Forget the 360s, the 370 were much better. You could dump DOS and run OS MVT w/ TSO and HASP. The only problem was the big ones, 155s through 185s, required 3.5 inch chilled water lines for CPU cooling. Remember: Check, reset, load!
I will easily concede that bureaucrats and politicians are much less or not at all likely to evaluate alternatives in cost and risk objectively as private enterprise does in making investment decisions. It is very easy to throw all caution to the wind when you are spending OPM and making that to your advantage. Everybody in the public sector has a profound conflict of interest, no accountability to speak of and scarce background in things they preside over. The engineers they hire usually do consider many options and risk but they usually are not listened to or say little if they are in conflict with the politicians dreams if they want repeat business.
I have a cynicism about gooberment that comes from experience. Gooberment, politicians and bureaucrats seldom do anything right. "If the government were put in charge of the Sahara Desert in five years there would be a shortage of sand." I believe it. Owing to politicians gooberment is inherently flawed because of the kind of people politics attracts.
The bridge will be rebuilt but without the classic lines of the overhead through truss that was knocked down. In all likelihood it will be one of the cable stayed eyesores that are now economical and popular. What a shame. Hopefully this time they will not build such spindly angular hollow piers, space them further apart and in water so shallow a ship can't pass by them How about that for an idea? Maybe a 2,000 foot main span instead of 1,200 feet? The deepest water at the location is only about 50 feet and you can see the bottom at the last approach span piers. Much better protection structures could be built without much drama.
The state's estimate for the original structure was right at $60mm, the bids came in considerably higher with the ultimate cost of $110mm or so. I'd bet a lot that there were lots of conversations about just what parts of the original design were necessary. I'd bet those main span piers being angled and hollow and poorly protected was design-cost compromise. Upon first sight those piers struck me as odd and odder when I saw they are hollow reinforced concrete; downright spindly for such a large structure.
If there is concern about critical infrastructure bridges the one on I-20 and the old highway 80 bridge just upstream of it at Vicksburg is a lulu. I don't know how many times they have been hit by massive strings of barges at high water with high velocity. The old highway 80 bridge somewhat protects the main I-20 span. Somehow they have survived but it beats me just how that has been possible. There are NO pier protection cells upstream of either bridge on that one. Every hit on the bridge is a direct one. These are just one example of probably thousands of bridges across the nation and world at risk.
BTW, the Key bridge was hit by a ship shortly after the Sunshine Skyway bridge failure. This isn't the first time it has been hit but it is the last.
A tunnel would seem to definitely be an option.
I believe I895 right up the road goes under harbor.
I’d think a tunnel costs more to build, but Biden has already said the taxpayers will foot the bill.
Tunnels they have and tunnels are fine for most traffic. The, oft sited problem yesterday, is oversized or hazardous traffic which can’t use them. Now that has to go the long way around and even after port reopens will slow some supply chains. But does that justify a $1B+ bridge as a one size fits all solution? How about a suitably priced toll ferry for that special traffic? That traffic is predictable and well known volume, doesn’t need to be speedy (although the hop is short enough for lots of trips daily). Impatient commuters can take the tunnels although ferries can make a bit on the side by taking bike and foot tourists Don’t need to handle a load bigger than could have crossed old bridge. Set the size and number of the ferries based on past volume. A lot quicker and cheaper to get up and running than a new bridge. Just need to avoid colliding with rest of boat traffic.
I know plenty of people who build in those flood and hurricane zones that have made big bank on damages paid for by the US Gov’t.
Yep, a very small price to pay for a fantastic return.
Without understanding that purpose and the danger of cramming them through the Tunnel, this article is incompletely thought out.
Especially in the era of DEI.
New York, Philly and Baltimore are doomed.
We now know the risk is too great.
No, "we" don't know that ... and a professional blabbermouth in CHICAGO is just about the last person I'd ask to assess the viability of a bridge in BALTIMORE.
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