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A reminder, for those unaware: the jury in Mann v. Steyn determined that Rand Simberg and Mark Steyn each owed $1 in compensatory damages; Simberg owed $1,000 in punitive damages, while Steyn owes $1,000,000(!) in punitive damages.

Naturally, the media (which has largely ignored the trial up to this point) is lauding it, and those lauding Michael Mann for 'triumphing' after 12 years (as though he wasn't the cause of the 12 years it took for this case to get to trial!) is further evidence of just how depressing the media landscape is.

I'm still shaking my head at what a rank embarrassment this jury turned out to be.

1 posted on 02/08/2024 9:00:58 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
...a Washington, DC jury...

I think I see the problem.

2 posted on 02/08/2024 9:08:01 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

We are paying a dear price with horrible juries all over the country. It probably stems from the lack of true civics education in the USA the past two generations.


3 posted on 02/08/2024 9:08:14 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

On another thread, it was suggested that a 1,000,000 to 1 Punitive to Actual Damage may well be unconstitutional.

Mann wanted even the $1 victory, because it vindicates him, but the Court record of the trial shows him in such a bad light to anyone NOT in DC, that the victory may well be Pyrrhic.

Still, a sad day.


5 posted on 02/08/2024 9:12:14 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("If you can’t say something nice . . . say the Rosary." [Red Badger])
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

My heart is broken tonight. I followed this trial closely and Mann and his lawyers failed to provide any evidence whatsoever to prove his case. While I had no faith that a DC jury would rule fairly in this matter, I am still stunned by the verdict. The jury clearly ruled solely on politics and not on the evidence. How can we live in a country with not just a lack of justice, but with extreme injustice, not only from our elites, but from our fellow citizens who themselves are corrupt, evil and unjust. Oh God help us!


6 posted on 02/08/2024 9:15:53 PM PST by Pres Raygun (Repent America)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I’m old enough to remember when this was a constitutional republic with a virtuous populace and freedom.

That nation is dead.


7 posted on 02/08/2024 9:16:16 PM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I guarantee you that these Nazi bastard lawyers know ahead of time who they are selecting as jurors. Unless at least HALF of jurors are Republicans, justice will never be administered. Every jury today is an OJ jury. The judicial system has collapsed. Our nation has collapsed.


10 posted on 02/08/2024 9:24:03 PM PST by alstewartfan (Amy Barrett and John Roberts are enemies of America and it's Constitution. )
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

“...Mark Steyn is a member of the media. As such,
he is supposedly afforded First Amendment protections...”
-
I have a problem with this statement.

The free speech and free press of the first amendment
does not single out “members of the media”
it applies to the totality of “We the people”.


11 posted on 02/08/2024 9:25:16 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Was there a good reason the trial was held in D.C. ? Does Steyn live there ?


12 posted on 02/08/2024 9:25:54 PM PST by OldHarbor
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

The America most of us grew up in has vanished.

The only glimpse of that nation you will get to see is in old movies.


13 posted on 02/08/2024 9:26:51 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

devotees of the global warming cult have spoken


14 posted on 02/08/2024 9:32:58 PM PST by joshua c
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you.


16 posted on 02/08/2024 9:39:52 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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I think I’m going to have to renew the passport of the old country. My US citizenship meant so much to me, but what country is it where the courts award E. Jean Carroll $83M, Mann $1M and decide that Biden ought not be charged because he’s a well-meaning, sympathetic old man with memory problems?

All good things must come to an end.


21 posted on 02/08/2024 9:49:31 PM PST by definitelynotaliberal (I believe it! He's alive! Sweet Jesus!)
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What’s remarkable is that they only value the Golden Calf at $1mm. Mann could sell his DC condo for twice that.


22 posted on 02/08/2024 10:13:24 PM PST by nicollo ("This is FR!")
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Michael,Mann won only because the trial was in DC. It would be difficult to find a jury in DC that knew what the hockey puck theory was or didn’t still believe it if they did.


24 posted on 02/08/2024 10:20:35 PM PST by Eva
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Texas cannot secede fast enough.


25 posted on 02/08/2024 10:21:25 PM PST by Salvavida
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

maybe so, but, as i said on another thread, imo, this is pyrric victory at best for mann and his climate cronies. everyone who knows anything about science and the truth, knows he and climate ‘science’ lost very badly in this ‘trial.’ we also had it confirmed that there is no justice in the American justice system.

therefore, no denying it, to the regular person, stay out of court in America, is the message. and that especially if you are innocent.

but thank God Mark went on anyway and told “the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God.” on the the transcripts, the facts, evidence and testimony that impeach mann (especially mann himself) and his climate ‘science’ are now there for everyone to read, and will support Mark as long as records are kept.


26 posted on 02/08/2024 11:07:53 PM PST by dadfly
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
This needs to change:

28 U.S. Code § 1391 - Venue generally

(a) Applicability of Section.—Except as otherwise provided by law—

(1) this section shall govern the venue of all civil actions brought in district courts of the United States; and
(2) the proper venue for a civil action shall be determined without regard to whether the action is local or transitory in nature.

(b) Venue in General.—A civil action may be brought in—

(1) a judicial district in which any defendant resides, if all defendants are residents of the State in which the district is located;
(2) a judicial district in which a substantial part of the events or omissions giving rise to the claim occurred, or a substantial part of property that is the subject of the action is situated; or
(3) if there is no district in which an action may otherwise be brought as provided in this section, any judicial district in which any defendant is subject to the court’s personal jurisdiction with respect to such action.

Congress needs to pass a law that explicitly excludes the District of Columbia from being a venue for any cases except for those involving non-resident foreign nationals. No U.S. citizen or legal resident should be subject to trial by a Federal Court within a Federal territory.

Even so, the second rule that states that venue may be in "a judicial district in which a substantial part of the events or omissions giving rise to the claim occurred, or a substantial part of property that is the subject of the action is situated" should not apply in Steyn's case, since D.C. could not possibly have been a place in which a substantial part of the alleged damage occurred - unless, e.g., the "damage" was to Mann's ability to get Federal grant money, which would be all the more reason - given the prima facie conflict of interest of most potential D.C. denizen-jurors - to disallow D.C. as a venue for any fair trial.

27 posted on 02/09/2024 12:50:44 AM PST by NNN
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

DC courts are irredeemably biased and activist. They need to be dissolved.


29 posted on 02/09/2024 2:04:40 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant (The pandemic we suffer from is not COVID. It is Marxist Democrat Leftism.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Cary Catz never paid Steyn one thin dime from that trial, where Steyn was awarded significant compensation. Mann himself never paid the Canadian (Tim ?) that he tried to sue. My answer would be, when you pay Tim’s family I’ll think about paying YOU.


30 posted on 02/09/2024 5:36:02 AM PST by Twotone (We have to stop punishing ourselves for considering things that once seemed crazy. - B. Weinstein)
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