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1 posted on 01/29/2024 8:03:24 AM PST by bitt
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2 posted on 01/29/2024 8:03:38 AM PST by bitt (<img src=' 'width=30%>)
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Sort of like the Land o Lakes lady.


3 posted on 01/29/2024 8:10:44 AM PST by xp38
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The problem with Native Americans is (I love them, but) they think everything they ever made, touched or even looked at is “sacred”.


4 posted on 01/29/2024 8:10:57 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Are you ready for Black Lives MAGA? It's coming.)
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Well, there is nothing more effective than completely erasing all knowledge and evidence of a culture for showing how non-racist we are.

/sarc


6 posted on 01/29/2024 8:12:13 AM PST by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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I pretty much discount EVERY SINGLE THING that comes out of the filthy mouth of the now-deceased Howard Zinn who is quoted in the article.

There was a time I had no idea who Howard Zinn was.

I had kind of a funny experience (well, at least it was funny to me) with my introduction to Howard Zinn…

My departed mother-in-law was, in life, a major-league liberal. She was a community organizer type of liberal. Now, I didn’t know this about her before I married my wife, but it wouldn’t have made a difference to me.

As the years went on, both my viewpoints and her viewpoints became known to each of us… and we entered a phase where she would say things deliberately to get a response out of me (or to see if I would just sit and say nothing)

Needless to say, I wasn’t about to sit and get baited by my mother-in-law, so I gave back in like kind when she initiated something. This went on for a relatively short period of time, then we kind of came to a mutual understanding. Neither one of us said a thing, but the understanding was there nonetheless that we would keep the peace by keeping our tongue. Not to say she wouldn’t occasionally poke at me (or me at her) but after that, that was pretty much all it was. I was kind of got the impression she was doing it just to see if I would stand up for myself.

In any case, I received a Christmas present from her one particular year. She knew that I was a history buff, and I read history prodigiously, so it was no surprise to me when I opened one of her Christmas presents and saw a history book. It was a fairly good-sized glossy volume, and I figured I’d put my feet up when I got home and begin reading.

When I got home, I opened the book up and began reading. At first, I was puzzled. “What the heck is this?” I read little bit further, and got even more perplexed. “What the hell kind of book is this?” I thought to myself.

I immediately begin skipping through the book, preferentially stopping in key areas in American history. As I reached each section, I would read sometimes only a sentence, or occasionally a paragraph. After I had been through multiple sections in this manner, I stood up angrily and exclaimed “screw this piece of crap!”

I walked out in the garage and through the book in the trash.

The name of the book was “The People’s History of the United States” by Howard Zinn.

I was appalled. I had never seen a history book quite like that one. I was even more disturbed to find out later that this was an actual textbook used in public school classrooms all over the country. I’m still appalled at that thought.

In retrospect, it popped into my mind almost immediately as I was throwing the book in the trash, that this was perhaps my mother-in-law poking her finger in my eye. After a few more seconds of contemplation, I guessed that was not the case.

Knowing how my mother-in-law shops, particularly for Christmas presents, this book was almost undoubtedly on the bargain bookshelf at the front of the Borders bookstore when she walked in. I’d be willing to bet that she didn’t pay more than a few dollars for, because I doubt you could find it inside the store at regular price.

So, every time I hear the name Howard Zinn, I think of the anti-American far left political screed that was his book, that I had the pleasure to throw into a garbage can.


7 posted on 01/29/2024 8:17:04 AM PST by rlmorel ("The stigma for being wrong is gone, as long as you're wrong for the right side." (Clarice Feldman))
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updated federal regulations on repatriating indigenous remains and sacred objects to tribes, according to NBC News.

Another completely unconstitutional, woke social-engineering edict from Fed.gov

Where did they get this power?

9 posted on 01/29/2024 8:25:18 AM PST by PGR88
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Just about every object except maybe arrow heads and stone tools would have been lawfully acquired by gift or purchase.

The arrow heads and stone tools were discarded as they were thought to be worthless.

The old Pez dispensers in the town dump that my family threw out in the 1960s are no longer mine.


10 posted on 01/29/2024 8:25:21 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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I had a friend who was a Jew of Italian extraction.

Will his estate be getting a piece of Coliseum admission revenue?


11 posted on 01/29/2024 8:27:24 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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I guess I don’t get what’s going on here. I would think that the current exhibitions within this museum and others are tastefully done and describe in good detail not only the items shown but give good background about the peoples that created the artifacts ? Isn’t that what museums are all about, the sharing of information and historical information of many peoples, places and cultures? Isn’t that generally a positive thing?


12 posted on 01/29/2024 8:34:37 AM PST by The Louiswu (Pray for Peace in the world.)
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Thus abrogating the statute of limitations for conversion (the civil equivalent of theft crimes,) and divesting the successors of those who purchased at least some, maybe most, of these items of their property rights. In the immortal words of Clinton henchman Paul Begala: “Stroke of the pen, law of the land… cool.”


13 posted on 01/29/2024 8:34:43 AM PST by j.havenfarm (23 years on Free Republic, 12/22/23! More than 8,000 replies and still not shutting up!)
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Howard Zinn was a propagandist. Not a historian.


17 posted on 01/29/2024 8:45:09 AM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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Like the names of sports teams, progressives are determined to obliterate all public vestiges of Native American culture and identity. As with pulling down statues of Confederates that now embarrass them, are they so ashamed of their big government predecessors’ genocide that they want to erase anything Native American from the public consciousness?


20 posted on 01/29/2024 8:51:45 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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“That federal law enabled tribes to reclaim ancestral remains and cultural artifacts removed from tribal lands”

Good. Unless there is documentation or valid oral history that artifacts were sold or freely given the removal of them was theft. As for remains, they should have been returned a long time ago. If the tribes consent to the placement of artifacts or remains in museum that should be the deciding factor.

Think of this like artifacts stolen during WWII by the Nazis being returned to rightful owners.


22 posted on 01/29/2024 8:58:12 AM PST by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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No problem with this.

Get permission to exhibit.

Of course, if tribes don’t give future consent, people won’t be able to see these items and learn their history.

This happened on a local level a few years ago. A nearby band asked for and had returned several items that were on exhibit. They’ve declined to loan the items for future exhibits.

The local historical society was gracious about having them to previously exhibit, and they’ve also been fair and honest when they tell visitors that the band has declined to loan items for future exhibit.


25 posted on 01/29/2024 9:00:45 AM PST by Fury
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American exhibits aren’t sacred enough to be locked away.


28 posted on 01/29/2024 9:04:47 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer ( Joe Pedo's America! The Motel 6 to the world. Joe's Border Patrol will keep the light on for you.)
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Did the term “two red cents” originally refer to Indian headpennies?


29 posted on 01/29/2024 9:06:55 AM PST by Honest Nigerian
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https://nypost.com/2024/01/27/metro/museum-of-natural-history-plans-to-wall-off-huge-exhibit-that-houses-10k-square-feet-of-native-american-relics/

Museum of Natural History could’ve avoided sudden shutdown of Native American exhibits if it made effort to ‘reconcile’ with tribes: leader


30 posted on 01/29/2024 9:07:27 AM PST by bitt (<img src=' 'width=30%>)
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So the law has been kicking around since 1990 and they couldn’t manage to get permission from any of the tribes for this stuff? And now they’re finally going to comply? Sounds like a real lazy bunch of museum administrators. The U of A natural history museum has tons of Indian stuff, all with plaques about tribal permission. It’s not that tough.


34 posted on 01/29/2024 9:18:55 AM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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So now honoring American Indians (I’m a “native American” Cuz I was born here) is prohibited. Good to know.


35 posted on 01/29/2024 9:19:04 AM PST by LS
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Everything east of the Mississippi River, was tribal lands.

Everything.

Most of that land was taken by treaty.

A lot of land west of the Mississippi River, was taken by conquest - no treaty.

There are many - tens of thousands of - arrowheads that centuries of people have collected with little to no indication of the original owners.

There are untold numbers of relics collected by hundreds of thousands of people over the centuries . . . with unknown numbers of, and degrees of, provenance - chains of custody.

There are likely several tens of thousands of items that ARE COPIES - NOT ORIGINALS - that were sold to tourists.

Hundreds of thousands of silver works produced - SOLD - and NOT the property of anybody but the buyers, no matter what the federal government and the Big White Father Biden say.

Indians took scalps, and so did a lot of other people. Sometimes a mark might truthfully indicate provenance, but there is nobody to confirm what is a true mark and who created it.

So . . . as the stuff in the nation’s attics, is return to the tellers of tales and whatever lore recalled (especially in New York State?), what are the Indians going to do with all that stuff?

Try and sell it . . . AGAIN?!

The only thing of value, other than proven sacred burial grounds, is the land.

The lies told by the liberals all trying to signal their virtuosity in forcing the tribes to reclaim whatever the liberals define to be “Native American Property,” are worthless.

Some Indians will be able to prove, that a piece of Wisconsin was taken because of the deceipt of lawyers involved in writing the treaty.

Now, in New Mexico, there are areas that were “granted” back to the Indians - but I have forgotten the technical details why . . . Yet, the Indians promptly cut down dozens of old solid trees that shaded the land, because a few of the tribal leaders - DEMOCRATS - figured on building a casino.

The result was, no casino . . . and no shade. “Science.”

Yeah. Sarcasm.

No doubt, some items and properties returned, are of great importance to some Indians.

By the way, “Chief” is not an Indian name - it can be traced back to Scotland and several other leadership positions.

BTW2, when Indians discovered steel knives at trading posts, the Indians quickly abandoned their stone knives.


37 posted on 01/29/2024 9:33:14 AM PST by linMcHlp
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