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To: Pete Dovgan

‘Most of the soldiers in the south never even owned slaves.’

completely irrelevant; they were fodder for their politicians, who certainly made no secret of their intentions backing secession...to the extent that they benefitted the confederate cause they were aiding the extension and continuance of slavery...

‘It will no enlighten those ignorant to the causes behind the war in the first place, slavery being only one of them.’

there was one cause of the actual war, without which there would not have been any war; secession...if you need any enlightenment of the reasons backing secession, read the declarations of cause for the states of SC, GA, TX, and MS...


24 posted on 12/16/2023 10:08:07 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: IrishBrigade

“there was one cause of the actual war, without which there would not have been any war; secession...if you need any enlightenment of the reasons backing secession, read the declarations of cause for the states of SC, GA, TX, and MS...”

If the South was fighting for slavery, who was fighting against slavery?


25 posted on 12/16/2023 10:11:24 AM PST by jeffersondem
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To: IrishBrigade
completely irrelevant; they were fodder for their politicians, who certainly made no secret of their intentions backing secession...to the extent that they benefitted the confederate cause they were aiding the extension and continuance of slavery...

Take a look at a map of the Civil War Battles.   Almost all of them were in the South.   The South fought to repel Northern invaders after the South had declared its independence.   It is as simple as that.

43 posted on 12/16/2023 11:24:40 AM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: IrishBrigade
completely irrelevant; they were fodder for their politicians, who certainly made no secret of their intentions backing secession...to the extent that they benefitted the confederate cause they were aiding the extension and continuance of slavery...

The fact that the Northern Republican controlled congress voted to pass the Corwin Amendment by a 2/3rds margin in both the House and the Senate puts the lie to the argument that the Northern leadership gave two sh*ts about slavery.

Tell the truth. You can't vote for permanent slavery, and then claim you are fighting to end slavery.

But the propaganda still circulates. As Mark Twain said, a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on.

The North didn't fight against slavery. It fought against freedom and independence of people who didn't want to be ruled by Washington DC anymore.

Slavery was thrown in later as a punishment to the South for opposing the DC dictatorship, but it was never intended to be abolished when armies first Marched into Virginia.

49 posted on 12/16/2023 11:52:46 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: IrishBrigade

No. Directly relevant. All you need to do to know that secession and the war were not “about” slavery is read the Corwin Amendment or Lincoln’s all important inaugural address. The North was more than happy to protect slavery effectively forever by express constitutional amendment. Slavery simply was not threatened in the US. Nobody wanting to preserve slavery would have advocated leaving when that was the only foreseeable path by which it might be abolished anytime soon.

People fought over the same things people always fight about - money. ie tariffs, trade policy, federal government spending on infrastructure, etc.


51 posted on 12/16/2023 12:14:27 PM PST by FLT-bird
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To: IrishBrigade

NOT irrelevant!
Most did not own slaves…….
….and when the war was over, they returned to burned out homes and fields……no food, no way of caring for their families…….many of them wounded


91 posted on 12/16/2023 3:48:47 PM PST by Guenevere (“If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?”)
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