Pure Evil -- How Fox News Treats Donald Trump

Fox News Jessie Waters Primetime 11/27/2023 ^ | 11/27/2023 | BroJoeK

[DeplorablePaul]

It’s no secret that rat faced Paul Ryan and the Murdochs are anti Trump. They send down the anti trump party line to the shows. It’s no surprise that they took Tucker Carlson off the air for his coverage of J6.

[telescope115]

I went back to watching Fox News, but it’s mostly Fox and Friends in the morning, and Laura, Jesse, and Gutfeld. Gutfeld is the highlight of my tv watching- he goes a little off the rails for me with some of his humor, but I love his commentary (monologue?) at the beginning of the show.

Tuesday nights (tonight) are my favorite 2 hours- History Channel’s Curse of Oak Island immediately followed by Gutfeld.
I’ll be in Hog Heaven for two hours…..🙂

[Robert DeLong]

I have no problem at all with "fair and balanced", that's what journalism should be.

I prefer reporting the facts, period. There is no need for news to cover social issues, because that is where personal opinions creep in. Which is what you get with fair & balanced, personal opinions.

[BroJoeK]

CodeToad: "Fox “News” is nothing but lies, half-truths, and lies through omission by not even covering important stories if they hurt the Elite’s agenda."

For certain, every news organization has to decide which stories to feature and which viewpoints to take.
Those will necessarily downplay some information that others might consider more important.

My biggest complaint against Fox is that they never once gave us the full and complete story about the 2020 election, even now three years later I still have no idea what really happened, as opposed to what many claimed did or didn't happen.

And then I read where Fox paid circa $787 million to Dominion Voting Systems for allegedly false reporting their machines were crooked -- WTF was that about?
How were those machines not crooked?
Were 100% of reports of crooked voting false, and how does anybody really know for sure?
And what's the real story with George Soros?
How does he seemingly control our entire criminal justice system and nobody can do anything about it?
How does that happen?

All of that I would expect to know with certainty from Fox News, if from nobody else, and yet today we know as little as we did in 2021.

Which brings up January 6, 2021. What really happened?
Fox should tell us, but they won't.
Forget everything else, is Mike Pense a snake in grass, slithering around Trump's legs, or did he perform an essential service? Fox never told us and I'm inclined to believe Trump, but knowing the real facts would be helpful, I think.

CodeToad: "Rule #1: The elites want you dead, and Fox works for that every day."

I'm not sure who your "elites" are, but for sure Fox News will always need conservative viewers, so they won't want us dead prematurely.

Hmmmmm... suddenly I'm yelling at a lot of clouds today!

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[Borderline]

I hadn’t noticed .. gots no TV.

[1Old Pro]

Most FOX programs are iterations of the other FOX news programs, very similar, just different entertainer/commentators.

Tucker brought something different, some actual thought. Same thing that VDH brings to FOX, or what Mark Stein brought.

[BroJoeK]

"I prefer reporting the facts, period.
There is no need for news to cover social issues, because that is where personal opinions creep in.
Which is what you get with fair & balanced, personal opinions."

Well... facts alone aren't that helpful.
We can find overwhelming numbers of facts from government & other statistical reports and they'd be nearly 100% meaningless.

Journalism involves putting facts into understandable narratives, showing values and priorities.
The same set of facts can be looked at from different perspectives, though usually one of those perspectives is outstandingly superior.
The job of journalism is to point out the facts in their different narratives and why some are better than others.

I don't think "fair and balanced" means every side is equal, only that every side gets a fair presentation, and people can decide for themselves which one they like best.

My beef with Fox News today is that last night they gave a very unbalanced comparison of the real Joe Biden walking more or less alone and being protested against in Nantucket vs. Donald Trump appearing at the Palmetto Bowl during halftime, with a huge favorable crowd reaction.
And Fox did it passive-aggressively, by replacing the scene of Trump at the stadium with commercials.
It was annoying as h*ll.

So today I'm an old man yelling at clouds. 😫

[CodeToad]

I do not need to wait for a entertainment company like Fox to give me the news. I can discern facts on my own. Fox does not have investigative reporters, they only have on air personalities. Their “guests” are nothing but book-of-the-day members, everyone has a new book out. I am convinced Fox makes money on book sales.

Fox, in no way, is a source of information, only disinformation.

[BroJoeK]

"Tucker brought something different, some actual thought. Same thing that VDH brings to FOX, or what Mark Stein brought."

There are a good many personalities on Fox that I like and respect, including formerly Tucker Carlson.
Mark Levin is exactly my style of fire-brand conservative.

I don't understand why Carlson was fired, though suspect it had something to do with the 2020 election or January 6.
Maybe Carlson was getting too close to reporting "the real truth" about those?
I can only wish.

But there is another matter which might explain it, and sadly on this I strongly disagree with Carlson, and that is Ukraine.
I think we should help Ukraine as best we can, even if that means cutting back on some of our Democrats' favorite vote-buying schemes.

Carlson's views on Ukraine baffle me, because he is surely smart enough to know better, and yet many others on Free Republic share his views and would abandon Ukrainians to "Mother Russia's" murderous embrace.

I think that would be a crying shame.

[Robert DeLong]

But this is nothing new. So why do you now find this irritating? This has been Fox since Trump came down the escalator. They moved closer to Trump when he became the Republican candidate, but they were never really behind him.

[1Old Pro]

yet many others on Free Republic share his views and would abandon Ukrainians to "Mother Russia's" murderous embrace.

Biden is funding Ukrainians so they can go thru a meat grinder, not sure if that is the best approach. Perhaps some negotiations would be useful.

[BroJoeK]

"I hadn’t noticed .. gots no TV."

I hope that means you have a real life, with family, friends, neighbors and community.

If so, then you are a good person and quite lucky.

Most of my TV time is spent watching YouTube videos, with occasional movies and a little news each day, usually Fox so I can see what other typical conservatives are learning.

[cgbg]

I have not watched Fox neocon news since they helped rig the election in 2020.

[BroJoeK]

"Fox, in no way, is a source of information, only disinformation."

That's a little too harsh, but I do share some specific complaints, perhaps more right now than I'd realized when I first posted this thread. 😒

Imho, a key fact about Fox is that they have long been conservative "conventional wisdom", meaning in the broad middle of the conservative, right-of-center road, and that can be helpful to keep track of.

[cgbg]

“middle of the road”

In these parts they call that road kill.

[BroJoeK]

"But this is nothing new.
So why do you now find this irritating?
This has been Fox since Trump came down the escalator.
They moved closer to Trump when he became the Republican candidate, but they were never really behind him."

Maybe, but it's more complicated than that.
First of all, Fox certainly did not support Hillary over Trump in 2016.
Nor did they support Biden over Trump in 2020.
And the fact that Fox recently paid $787 million in a suit from Dominion Voting Systems for allegedly false reporting that Dominion machines were rigged, sort of suggests Fox was not actively supporting Biden, even behind the scenes.

But day to day, Fox has dozens of on-screen personalities, each with a somewhat different perspective, some of them entirely Trump-friendly, others not so much and still others active Democrat opposition to Trump.

Broadly speaking, Fox covers the spectrum from slightly left of center to moderately conservative.

Fox viewers are:

1. 55% Republicans
2. 18% independents
3. 23% Democrats

Fox viewers are:

1. 55% conservatives
2. 30% moderates
3. 12% liberals

I'd say those numbers also describe the overall nature of Fox reporting and opinions, though both can vary widely depending on the time of day and hosts.
That's what's out front for all to see.

Today I'm here to yell at clouds about sneaky, behind the scenes passive-aggressive anti-Trump manipulation like I saw last night on Waters Primetime.

[sarge83]

I dumped FNC in October 2020 when one of their weekend FNF hostess went into an anti-Trump tirade over what turned out to be a classic MSM lie and smear. Best thing I ever did turning that T&A show with a red, white and blue chyron off!

My parents still watch it and cite it and I just say, don’t believe half of what you hear on FNC they are just as bad as CNN or PMSNBC.

[Robert DeLong]

Nor did they support Biden over Trump in 2020.

If I remember correctly, Fox stopped airing Trump rallies. While they were not overtly supporting Biden, they also were not supporting Trump either. They remained ambivalent at best.

After J6 they have completely allowed their true feelings for Trump be expressed throughout all of Murdoch's media outlet's. That's because the GOPe is scared to death of Trump, because he presents a real threat to the GOPe. The GOPe still doesn't realize that Trump is the only reason many with in the base even support the Republican Party at all. They continue to ignore any & all revelations coming forth since access to these tapes have been allowed.

The Dominion Lawsuit was their own fault for not fighting back, but his son Lachlan Murdoch is a big liberal anyway. The hiring of Paul Ryan hates Trump with a passion. To bad Paul & Pierre Delecto couldn't beat their way out of a wet paper bag, and so both have envy issues that Trump succeeded where they miserably failed.

Was Jesse Watters one of those who trashed Trump, or was it guests that appeared on Watters Primetime?

But if you are tired of it, don't get mad, just walk away from Fox. They honestly do not care if you get mad, because by watching them you are still supporting them.

[Borderline]

"I hadn’t noticed .. gots no TV." I hope that means you have a real life, with family, friends, neighbors and community.

If so, then you are a good person and quite lucky.

Most of my TV time is spent watching YouTube videos, with occasional movies and a little news each day, usually Fox so I can see what other typical conservatives are learning.

Unplugged in 2007 when my son turned 7. Our household transitioned to no TV without a hitch. Admittedly, the son played TONS of computer games. But he also was serious about playing baseball, shooting every kind of gun under the sun (is a certified tactical firearms instructor now) and doing outdoors stuff. We live in the sticks and life is too full to ever allow TV back in. I fully follow part of your path: "Most of my TV time is spent watching YouTube videos, with occasional movies". Otherwise I get my news reading - a lot on FR. Fox can rot for all I care.

[BroJoeK]

"Biden is funding Ukrainians so they can go thru a meat grinder, not sure if that is the best approach.
Perhaps some negotiations would be useful."

Been there, done that, got T-shirts to prove it.

My understanding is the first round of negotiations results in early 2022 were rejected by Vladimir Putin because by then he expected to conquer more of Ukraine and so was demanding a higher price for peace.

Then there was a second round in 2022 which also produced results, possibly more to Putin's liking, but it's now claimed that Ukrainians walked away from that deal, a good guess as to why would be Pres. Biden's promise to support Ukraine "for as long as it takes."
With assurances of NATO and other support, Ukrainians were willing to keep fighting to defend their homeland.

One problem with any negotiated deal is that, like many other aggressive dictators, Vladimir Putin has shown no respect for his signed agreements and could be expected to use a cease-fire simply to regroup, rearm, retrain and prepare for his next invasions.
So what is the point?

Bottom line is that Biden has also promised Ukraine, he will not to force them to make a deal with Putin.
So, peace will be their choice and the deal will be what they can negotiate.

Putin's plan for victory is simply to wait out NATO's and the EU's willingness to support Ukraine, and then just walk over Ukraine, taking whatever Putin wants.

So far as I can tell, Ukraine does not have a plan for victory, or if they do they've kept it very secret, not necessarily a bad thing, but we still need to see at least occasional Ukrainian battlefield victories, and there have been some, against the Russian navy for example, even in 2023.

My guess has long been that Ukraine will end up like North and South Korea, now 70+ years later, still no formal peace treaty.