Posted on 11/22/2023 9:21:39 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
Yep...pretty much the same in the UK.
I’ve followed the narrative around the AfD movement in Germany. The UK activist Tommy Robinson, whom is always labeled as a ‘far right’ racist, even though his English Defense League had the banner “black and white unite”, has been to Germany and marched with them...sees exactly the same media narrative.
They (general EU folks) just don’t seem to stop and think about the question “who decides?” (what is ‘hate speech’) because they still seem to believe the government is honest and represents their ‘best interests’ - i.e. the ‘collective first’ mentality, not the rights of the individual coming first that IS in the best interest of the collective.
Only in the USA does this concept hold true.
It’s odd, if you ask them “do you trust politicians” you’ll get the answer “no”. So what gives? I asked an EU supporter about their representation, that they don’t vote for their MEP - the answer was “no, but we vote for the person that votes for them”. Yet you don’t trust politicians? ...but somehow the MEP is a good representative and not a corrupt bureaucrat? They don’t see to see the disconnect, all while not able to even name their MEP!
I had a temp co-worker hired to paint the walls at the company I was at. He was an American but was living in Sweden and keep talking about everything was free. This was back in the early 1990’s. He said he came back to visit the family and was working the summer then would go back. He was a bum judging from how long he took to paint which was never finished before he left. I bet he worked all the welfare back in Sweden so he did not have to work.
Try and keep up fuzzy, people are being charged and jailed for speech deemed unkind already, especially to Hillary. They have been promoting hate speech for years, came right along with hate crimes.
The ‘free-stuff in Germany’ mindset works until you have gotten a job and review your deductions. You see a lot of grumbling with people in the age group of 20 to 30. You take home about 50-percent of what you earn.
On the university tuition...it revolves around you competing for seats. The lesser-known universities typically have seats left...the top five to ten will have limited entry. Unlike US colleges...they didn’t enlarge themselves for bigger numbers. Also, there is today a semester fee tied to participation...usually not more than 250 Euro (per semester). The state will attempt to get you into funded housing.
As for anti-woke landscape (might entice some people), Germany is probably 10 steps behind the US on woke behavior. The pronoun business hasn’t been accepted. Bully-tactics rarely go one-way...Germans are fully capable in counter-insulting people. Trans stuff with juveniles is a no-go (doctors put up a fierce fight...mandating you need to be an adult to make such decisions). On cross-dressing...Germans were already doing this in the 1920s without the status or surgical business...nothing new.
On school behavioral problems, German teachers might say they have some issues. The multi-cultural trend hasn’t been helpful. Germans will admit they need billions for infrastructure improvement for schools (money isn’t there).
If you asked for the top three problems/issues in Germany? Inflation ranks near the top...involving energy (heat and power). Second, the gov’t will admit that 20-percent of the public is in dire straits and marginally above poverty status. Third, with the multi-party system...comes weekly problems which are drilled down into...exposing continual arguments/counter-arguments on how to ‘save’ communities/programs.
Summing it up...you have x-amount of problems in the US, and if you intend to swap countries....you will wake up 12 months later to find you got a new listing of problems in Germany...just different.
(Note: I didn’t bring up the German national soccer team chaos...now weekly. I didn’t bring up the national TV tax...supposedly going up. I didn’t bring up the national railway strikes. I didn’t bring up the continuing trend of medical clinics/hospitals closing because the fed can’t cover the cost. I didn’t bring up the ‘Last Generation’ blockages of traffic in urban areas. I didn’t bring up lack in high-speed internet in probably a quarter of the nation. I didn’t bring up the continued blow-ups of ATM machines across Germany...almost nightly. I didn’t bring up the increasing number of homelessness. I didn’t bring up problems in finding affordable housing in high-urban areas. I didn’t bring up the wolf problem (NE Germany) where one crowd wants full-up hunting season, and another crowd wants hunting totally forbidden. I didn’t bring the legalization of cannabis...likely to occur by late spring 2024.)
Sure...I don’t have my head in the sand - but there’s a difference between having it enshrined into a Constitution, written simply and clear as day, vs. not having it at all or having a very convoluted ‘in concept’ Constitution like the UK has. You can try to erode it here - good luck with the S.C on the Hillary one, no way that can stand.
That said, the cases in the UK and Europe where people have been arrested and found guilty for ‘offensive speech’ are *vastly* different than anything going on here.
....also, try to keep up...when I said “Only in the USA does this concept hold true.” - I was referring, not to free speech specifically, but to the concept that the rights of the individual come first, not the ‘rights of the collective’.
I agree but if we lose another election to fraud then the party is over.
No constitution or law can protect you if it isn't enforced, ask Hunter or Hillary. We are one corrupt election away from losing our Constitution, pray that doesn't happen.
No question about that, a recent poll in England showed that the people there are just fine with some restrictions on free speech were fine even though they felt free speech was necessary. No I doubt they actually know the do not have free speech guaranteed there. They also have no right to self defense like we once had here. Depending on where you live you may or may not have a right to self defense. Even then the Feds are using civil right violations to get around the Double Jeopardy clause and the Courts are letting them. Threats of mob violence has more power over justice than we do, plain fact.
Having grown up in the UK, still with family and friends there (cousin is a police officer), they really do think they have free speech. They’ve just been convinced that ‘certain speech’ should just not be allowed, without seeing the contradiction. They are not taught the true concepts behind actual free speech (I never was). I questioned my cousin about some of these speech laws. His reply was that they weren’t “really enforced”...as though that made them ok....despite them being an obvious threat to “be careful before you speak”. This was few years ago, now those laws are worse and are being enforced.
All in the same country that values historically famous debate and speeches at the Oxford Union and the availability of ‘speakers corner’ in London.
With the Islamic imports, yes, it’s easier to arrest those ‘being offensive’ (speaking against Islam) than it is to arrest the Islamic mob.
Today, we see all the Islamic representatives protesting Israel under the banner of “Palestinians”. They don’t care less about them, it’s just an excuse to bind their hate together. Some are finally waking up to the real problem they have. Something is going to break very soon.
The glaring hypocrisy - say something online ‘offensive’ about gays or Islam and you’ll get a visit telling you to ‘check your thinking’. Yet those very two groups are the ones most at odds - only the left are so deluded they still don’t yet realize it.
Nothin’ ain’t worth nothin’ but it’s free!
Sad but true. I am sure there were genuinely hopeful people that got off those trains thinking they were going to be ok.
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