Posted on 10/08/2023 9:03:31 PM PDT by Drew68
Artillery is 90% of all effective firepower. Airborne munitions can't cycle through endless tons of explosive the way arty can, and they cost vastly more.
If this is true and Israel has only 20% its arty stockpile, then Hamas isn't suiciding Gaza on pyre of defiance like people think. They timed this perfectly to lure Israel into writing cheques they can't cash in the hopes Israel will invade Gaza with infantry at which point they can grind them down endlessly with basically unending Arab volunteers in brutal urban warfare... where most of their technological advantage is gone and they won't have the most important 1/3rd of combined arms warfare.
This also would explain the brutality and the focus on taking as many civilian hostages as they can, since Israel can't just leave hundreds of Israeli civilians in Gaza and declare they aren't going to get them back... They're pretty much trapped fighting a ground war with what little artillery they have.
If the 300,000 rounds the US took from Israeli stockpiles to give to Ukraine corresponds to that 80% that Israel's supposedly down then they basically can't sustain combined armed warfare, since the 2014 Gaza war took 34,000 rounds of artillery alone.
Even if they have hundreds of thousands left, they can only use a fraction of them on Gaza since they need enough that they could fight a high intensity war with Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon if they intervene... let alone if Iran and Iraq start sending forces (US invasion handed Iraq to the Shia majority who align with Iran)
So even if they have another 300k artillery shells lying around, at most that'd be tens of thousand of available to actually use on Gaza without risk of being drowned by its rivalled arab neighbors in a multi-nation war.
That means the fighting to "open the gates of hell" or "wipe Gaza off the map" as some commentators are calling for will have to be done by air assets which can't realistically deliver the tonnage, and ground troops who would be dying at horrific ratios as urban settings negate most of the advantage of military tech.
Israel's active duty force only has 20ish thousand infantry in active force, even activating the 400k reserves you can only use a portion since there's the constant threat of a multinational war breaking out, Hezbollah in the north, and the entire west bank that could pop off...
So they have to punish Gaza, extract the hostages or their bodies, and achieve enough objectives to declare victory... against a population of 4 million! +Every radical fighter in the middle-east from Afghanistan to Aberdeen chomping at the bit to get in there... and they'll have to do it with... maybe 10k full time infantry? Maybe 20-30k counting the reservists?
In urban warfare? With limited artillery?
Hamas might actually have them...
They might have actually played their cards right to create the conditions for a Vietnam in the holy lands.
Remember Israel's active force of 169,000 is both genders and conscripts... You start losing a lot of people or start having to reassign 19 year old girls who never wanted to hold a rifle to infantry. that will grind down morale damned fast and tear open Israel's social divisions.. Not least between liberal secular jews who actually serve and the conservative orthodox who dodge the draft through "religious study."
Look at your posts and how elaborate they are in their personal attacks and nastiness, all because someone wanted to see something besides you simply saying you heard it on the TV.
You gave the impression Israel was out of ammo for their Iron Dome, I will still be looking to see just what that means.
Some of us are very fact-oriented and need solid information.
I only mentioned FR, not the world, and the standards for sources facts and verification have declined here, and the conspiracies are getting totally nuts.
FR is getting so much ridiculous internet propaganda and conspiracies posted on it that this has become a site where facts are unimportant and scoffed at while the latest seeded information that is planted on the net is promoted and endures for months.
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It’s readily apparent and obvious that is your confession.
You are a liar who assumed wrongly that my info was false, and repeatedly stated such.
If you are "very fact-oriented," go buy an old set of Encyclopedia Britannica. They are very cheap, the info is not timely, but it was surely accurate to meet your teletype needs when it was published fifty years ago.
Still going with the raging nastiness it seems.
That is the best you can do, ansel12, when you have lost your credibility, lost your argument, and can’t man up to apologize and acknowledge the errors of your false ASSumptions and lies.
How many MLRS rockets do they have?
THE TIMING OF EZEKIEL 38 & 39
THE 2-STAGE INTERPRETATION
“... where does the Gog-Magog war fit?... I believe that chapter 38, the war, happens consistent with seal judgment number two, very early in the Tribulation, because... there’s a transition from peace to war in Ezekiel 38. That’s exactly what’s happening with the first two seal judgments, you go from peace under the antichrist to war;
“and then chapter 39... starts to talk about things that happened at the end of the tribulation. Like, for example, the birds of prey gorging on the corpses; like a converted Israel and we know from other passages of scripture that those are events that take place at the end of the tribulation.
“So what I’m seeing is chapter 38 happening essentially with seal judgment number two and chapter 39 essentially transpiring at the end of the tribulation period. So you’ll have the birds of prey at the end, Israel’s conversion at the end and the weapons, at that point, are burned for seven years. The bodies of the invaders are buried for seven months
“... I see the burial and the burning continuing on into the millennial kingdom.
“A lot of people don’t like that, they don’t want their millennium messed up with a bunch of smoke and burials but to me it’s not that big of a problem because the millennial kingdom is a renovation and not an ex nihilo new creation.
“So there’s actually going to be death in the millennial kingdom, amongst the surviving mortals, children of the mortals of the tribulation, those that survive the tribulation, that are believers, that enter the kingdom in their mortal bodies and repopulate the earth. That generation will still experience death. [Isaiah 65:20]
“So the millennial kingdom is not a pristine perfect environment. There’s actually going to be animals slaughtered during that time period and essentially what you have happening here, is, since the millennial kingdom is really not an ex nihilo new creation but a renovation, I don’t really have much of a problem seeing burial and burning of weapons happening during that kingdom age.
“So Ezekiel 38 is the second seal judgment. Ezekiel 39, most of it, is the end of the tribulation period and then the weapons burning and the burial continues on into the thousand year kingdom.”
- Dr. Andy Woods
https://slbc.org/sermon/middle-east-meltdown-020-ezekiel-38-39/
Some others who hold the 2-stage interpretation of Ezekiel 38 & 39:
“There is a lot of debate how Ezekiel 38-39 fits.... I think the best argument is that Ezekiel 38 takes place in the first half of the Tribulation and Ezekiel 39 in the second half of the Tribulation.” - Dr. Robert L. Dean
“Harold W. Hoehner... argued that Ezekiel 38 refers to events in the middle of the Tribulation and chapter 39 to events at the end of the Tribulation.”
For more info on the 2-stage interpretation of Ezekiel 38-39, see this book:
The Middle East Meltdown: The Coming Islamic Invasion of Israel
by Dr. Andy Woods
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1945774002
Available free online:
Dr. Andy Woods’ video series: Middle East Meltdown
https://slbc.org/series_event/middle-east-meltdown/
I think that whole J6 thing is a ruse.. The deep state is NOT our friend... Maybe it's time to warm up the guillotines.. :(
I expect they (Hamas and their Iranian sponsors) are counting on international sanctions against Israel, and "humanitarian aid" from the United States. They don't need stockpiles of food and water in that case.
They are also counting on a worldwide propaganda campaign to prevent Israel from conducting effective retaliation. That should a pretty easy campaign since the only effective measures left are expulsion of the Palestinians or their extermination. And there are no Muslim countries willing to accept the Palestinians.
So, extermination is what is on the table. Somehow it is acceptable for Palestinians to exterminate the Jews, but it is unacceptable for Jews to exterminate the Palestinians.
Go on and pick a side. Whichever side you like. There are not going to be any "good guys" when this conflict gets settled. The only question is who will be left standing.
How can the US take Israeli armaments and give them away? Is this true???
They were our stockpiles that we had prepositioned in Israel. This was widely reported back in January.
Pentagon Sends U.S. Arms Stored in Israel to Ukraine (NY Times)
US has moved munitions stored in Israel for use by Ukraine (CNN)
Not personal at all. Just factual. To understand what a personal attack is, study your team members Williams and Monterossa’s responses to those who oppose Youkamania.
That says a lot about you, you think people here are on teams and know each other.
No wonder you troll so much, you see FR as an internet game or battlefield or something and personal attack is the game you play.
They still have nukes, right?
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks,”
- William Shakespeare
No kidding, you guys go on these personal attacks obsessively and continuously.
The Iron Dome was always functional. The interceptors were depleted due to the initial Hamas barrage. U.S. rushed ready replacements, and added manufacturing capacity to maintain stock.
Thank you!
God bless!
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