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Ok, Israel might actually be screwed
Twitter ^ | 10/8/2023 | CatGirl Kulak

Posted on 10/08/2023 9:03:31 PM PDT by Drew68

Artillery is 90% of all effective firepower. Airborne munitions can't cycle through endless tons of explosive the way arty can, and they cost vastly more.

If this is true and Israel has only 20% its arty stockpile, then Hamas isn't suiciding Gaza on pyre of defiance like people think. They timed this perfectly to lure Israel into writing cheques they can't cash in the hopes Israel will invade Gaza with infantry at which point they can grind them down endlessly with basically unending Arab volunteers in brutal urban warfare... where most of their technological advantage is gone and they won't have the most important 1/3rd of combined arms warfare.

This also would explain the brutality and the focus on taking as many civilian hostages as they can, since Israel can't just leave hundreds of Israeli civilians in Gaza and declare they aren't going to get them back... They're pretty much trapped fighting a ground war with what little artillery they have.

If the 300,000 rounds the US took from Israeli stockpiles to give to Ukraine corresponds to that 80% that Israel's supposedly down then they basically can't sustain combined armed warfare, since the 2014 Gaza war took 34,000 rounds of artillery alone.

Even if they have hundreds of thousands left, they can only use a fraction of them on Gaza since they need enough that they could fight a high intensity war with Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon if they intervene... let alone if Iran and Iraq start sending forces (US invasion handed Iraq to the Shia majority who align with Iran)

So even if they have another 300k artillery shells lying around, at most that'd be tens of thousand of available to actually use on Gaza without risk of being drowned by its rivalled arab neighbors in a multi-nation war.

That means the fighting to "open the gates of hell" or "wipe Gaza off the map" as some commentators are calling for will have to be done by air assets which can't realistically deliver the tonnage, and ground troops who would be dying at horrific ratios as urban settings negate most of the advantage of military tech.

Israel's active duty force only has 20ish thousand infantry in active force, even activating the 400k reserves you can only use a portion since there's the constant threat of a multinational war breaking out, Hezbollah in the north, and the entire west bank that could pop off...

So they have to punish Gaza, extract the hostages or their bodies, and achieve enough objectives to declare victory... against a population of 4 million! +Every radical fighter in the middle-east from Afghanistan to Aberdeen chomping at the bit to get in there... and they'll have to do it with... maybe 10k full time infantry? Maybe 20-30k counting the reservists?

In urban warfare? With limited artillery?

Hamas might actually have them...

They might have actually played their cards right to create the conditions for a Vietnam in the holy lands.

Remember Israel's active force of 169,000 is both genders and conscripts... You start losing a lot of people or start having to reassign 19 year old girls who never wanted to hold a rifle to infantry. that will grind down morale damned fast and tear open Israel's social divisions.. Not least between liberal secular jews who actually serve and the conservative orthodox who dodge the draft through "religious study."


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: catgirlkulak; debbiedowner; eeyores; hamas; israel; radiomoscow; terrorism
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To: ansel12

News Nation is comprised of many reporters who have left other news outfits . As far as I know, there are a mix from both sides of the aisle. You can find them on the web. YouTube and other places ROKU, FireTV etc.

I have seen nothing to say they are not reliable on reporting just the news.


121 posted on 10/09/2023 5:26:13 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Drew68

Yes israel has no technical advantage. After all paragliders and pickup trucks are just as technically superior as attack helicopters, jets and bombers.

I won’t deny this could go sideways, but I wouldn’t for a second go along with it’s destined to fail.

Unlike too much of the west. Israel has not gone soft and they recognize that they are to be killed by their enemy simply for existing should they lose.


122 posted on 10/09/2023 5:26:45 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: CodeToad

The worst fear would be getting all the muslim world coming against Israel at once.

They are threading a needle to keep this mainly on Hamas in order to not have that happen. I am sure they are planning a response of large proportion and a ground game after bombing strategic areas.


123 posted on 10/09/2023 5:31:16 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

Again, it is just a name mentioned, where is the article?

This is the next day maybe there are other sources reporting that Israel is out of Iron Dome ammo.


124 posted on 10/09/2023 5:39:51 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Drew68

Hence

A nuke for Damascus

Isaiah 17:1

As a preview of
Sampsons Option.

To take the wind out of the jihadi sail.


125 posted on 10/09/2023 5:48:18 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Vet, John Adams Descendant , deal with it.)
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To: Drew68

Is it?

Was that ammo for Israel or US, nice if it is there and Israel needs it but I imagine Israel was not depending on US stockpiles for their artillery

So I think there is a distinction


126 posted on 10/09/2023 5:48:38 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: Palmetto State Conservative

With the Uke forever bunch it is always about protecting the narrative of “the thing” which is Ukraine. Everything is tied to Putin and Russia because that justifies the incredible amount of money and resources that are being depleted for one place. As though there is nothing happening anywhere else that needs attending to and no other “bad guys” roaming the planet but Russians.

When Hamas hit Israel the Uke bunch made an immediate pivot to try to tie it all to Russia even though we have seen that there are no accusations in that direction coming officially from Israel at this point. Emphasis on “officially” and “at this point”.

Many things are possible but none of us can actually say yet. The weaponry being used from Hamas in Israel will tell us part of the story. We will find out one of these days.

Maybe, if any truth or honesty still exists.


127 posted on 10/09/2023 5:50:28 AM PDT by dforest
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To: ansel12

oesn’t show me

\/

Maybe if you put down the narrative control cubicle doughnuts

you could see past your issued narratives...


128 posted on 10/09/2023 5:55:40 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Vet, John Adams Descendant , deal with it.)
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To: ansel12

Instead of arguing over it, I suppose you will have to wait and see. News Nation goes all day and I doubt NN was lying about what he/she heard there.

If it isn’t true, you will find out.

News Nation is not in print. You have a computer so check it out. Go to YouTube and do a search.


129 posted on 10/09/2023 5:56:33 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen!


130 posted on 10/09/2023 5:59:21 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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To: dforest

It isn’t my job to hunt down what someone thinks they heard while watching television.


131 posted on 10/09/2023 6:01:16 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12
This nation is 23 years into the 21st century. Streaming news is live, with playback used to confirm what was reported--whether you like it or not. Do yourself a favor and accept there are alternate news sources beyond NewsWeek and Rolling Stone.

You repeatedly demean efforts to provide timely, accurate info to the discussion. You act like your diapers are soiled. You demand to be spoon fed your special gruel via your special spoon. You whine like a spoiled child.

Israel will seek to replenish Iron Dome interceptors depleted following Hamas’ firing of thousands of rockets.

132 posted on 10/09/2023 6:01:44 AM PDT by NautiNurse (🇺🇸)
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To: ansel12

Then give it up and get over it. Sometimes you just have to do that instead of being tedious.


133 posted on 10/09/2023 6:02:44 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Drew68

Baloney.

They actively allowed this to happen as an excuse to wipe out Gaza, IMO.


134 posted on 10/09/2023 6:05:22 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: NautiNurse

Thanks for the link, it will be interesting to see what their supply actually is and how they are using depleted.

Now was that so hard? Did it require all your nasty personal attacks, really vile personal attacks?


135 posted on 10/09/2023 6:06:12 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Drew68
"300,000 rounds (artillery) the US took from Israeli stockpiles to give to Ukraine."

The giving away of our war materials, 6 Billion dallers to Iran, good usable military arms left in Afghanistan, the destruction and depletion of our oil industry and reserves.. Some say as many as 12 million invaders coming across our borders... Is anyone beginning to see a pattern here..??

136 posted on 10/09/2023 6:07:26 AM PDT by unread (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC..!)
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To: unread
as many as 12 million invaders coming across our borders... Is anyone beginning to see a pattern here..??

Yep, they are planning attacks on U.S. soil and the FBI is distracted by January 6th trespassers.

137 posted on 10/09/2023 6:08:57 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: dforest

FR is getting so much ridiculous internet propaganda and conspiracies posted on it that this has become a site where facts are unimportant and scoffed at while the latest seeded information that is planted on the net is promoted and endures for months.


138 posted on 10/09/2023 6:10:59 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12
The written article was not available last night. In your 20th Century myopic world, you require waiting for info to be transcribed into and transmitted via teletype before it meets your approval. You are in the S L O W lane, Bucky.

Your statement that I do not provide accurate info is false (aka you are a liar). Your infantile, demonic behavior is returned in kind. It sucks to be you.

139 posted on 10/09/2023 6:12:49 AM PDT by NautiNurse (🇺🇸)
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To: ansel12

You just noticed? The world has been like that for years. There are always going to be different opinions and conflicting information. Not everyone is wrong all the time and only you and what you choose to believe is right.

Just the way it is.


140 posted on 10/09/2023 6:17:06 AM PDT by dforest
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