Posted on 09/02/2023 10:02:07 AM PDT by Starman417
You will recall that in 2014 Russia annexed Crimea and Barack Obama couldn't have cared less. You will recall that when asked how he'd react to Russia invading Ukraine Joe Biden said he wouldn't mind a "minor incursion."
“I think what you’re going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do, et cetera,”So what made Ukraine all of a sudden so damned vital to our national interest?
Biden, as he usually does, signaled weakness. Mind you, the only time Russia did not invade any Ukraine territory was during the Trump administration.
Well, sensing weakness, Russia did invade Ukraine and the conflict has become a monetary black hole for the US with no end in sight. As of late April, the US has sent $113 BILLION to Ukraine, with some dubious accounting along the way. There have been 500,000 casualties in the war, with estimates of 120,000 Russians and 70,000 Ukrainians dead.
Biden asked for $500 million for heavily armed vehicles, missiles and air defense on June 26. He asked for $21 billion for Ukraine on August 11, tying it disaster relief with only $12 billion earmarked for FEMA. On August 29 he wants another $250 billion for Ukraine.
When does it end? What we are involved in now is another Vietnam. China backed North Vietnam against the US in that conflict. Now comes word that North Korea is negotiating with Russia to provide weapons for use in the current war.
Russia and North Korea are “actively advancing” negotiations for weapons that would be used in the war in Ukraine, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield said at a news conference. She called the development new and “deeply troubling,” as Washington’s tensions with Pyongyang and Moscow deepen.You don't say.
“Russia is negotiating potential deals for significant quantities and multiple types of munitions from the DPRK to be used against Ukraine,” Thomas-Greenfield said, using the abbreviation for North Korea’s official name, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. She accused Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu of using his visit to North Korea last month as an opportunity to “try to convince Pyongyang to sell artillery ammunition to Russia.” She also condemned Shoigu’s attendance at the secretive state’s military parade, which featured weapons prohibited by the U.N. Security Council.WTAF were you expecting, Thomas-Greenfield? This is war. Joe Biden was expecting to bankrupt Russia into surrender. Thanks to North Korea it's not happening- not now and not in the foreseeable future.
Zelenskyy is boasting about his new long range missiles and their ability to strike well into Russia. Putin is also rattling the saber
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The UniParty is not about to let the Ukraine house of cards collapse around them...they’d rather destroy the world than face the music here at home
The Democrat Party Organized Crime Syndicate conducts foreign policy.
The NK shells are 50years old and likely rusting, like some of the Soviet era shells the the Orcs tried to fire.
Then there is the whole problem of getting them to Russia, a very difficult proposition. Then how fast will those ammo dumps be discovered and blown?
They lost a railway recently.
On Sunday, August 20, Alexey Tsydenov, Head of the Republic of Buryatia in Eastern Russia, shared on Telegram that there are “Great consequences from the dam break and overflow of the Kholodnaya River in the Severo-Baikal region”, saying that part of the Baikal-Amur railway line is washed out and train traffic has been ...Aug 21, 2023
Biden’s Vietnam is escalating. He’s playing with fire....
The uniparty isn’t doing me any personal favors either. A Uke couple moved in next door, on our dime of course. Noisy, don’t speak English. At least they leave my cats alone.
Decades ago, a friend from Australia visited me. I was talking politics to him and he looked me in the eye and said, “It doesn’t matter who you vote for. The Globalists run the world”. And he was correct.
I should really do something more productive than talking politics.
“ The Democrat Party Organized Crime Syndicate conducts foreign policy”
Was George W. Bush a Democrat?
Are you?
Yeah, rah, rah, Ukraine. What an absolute joke and disaster. And notice not one Democrat, not one single Democrat, has howled about war and Never Ending Wars”, you know, the favored bumper sticker on the backs of all Subarus during the Bush administration.
This is another Vietnam/Afghan blunder. And again, I have not heard of one single Democrat or politician ask about an “off ramp” or an exit strategy. Finally, Americans have handed Zelenskyy and his elites $113 billion with absolutely no accountability. It has been reported that Zelenskyy has multiple foreign villas with his most recent acquisition in Egypt. How much has Europe handed over to Zelenskyy on a per capita basis?
Completely agree...
Am I what? A "demonrat"?
After 65,000 posts since May 1998, that's kind of unlikely.
I am FAR to the right of the GOP, no existing politicians represent me or what I want to happen, but no, I'm not a Democrat.
What distinguishes this war very much from Vietnam is that Ukrainians are willing to fight hard. All we are doing is supply weaponry.
In terms of US interests, the destruction of the Russian army is being accomplished on the cheap, Russia is significantly weakening its defenses elsewhere (Kaliningrad, the Kurils) to bolster its aggression in Ukraine, Russian pretensions of being a world-class military power are demolished and most of all, with Russia pinned fighting in Ukraine, it cannot threaten the Baltics or other eastern NATO members.
Considering the billions wasted on the Army's Future Combat Systems, the Navy's littoral combat ships, etc., funding the Ukraine war is a bargain.
Most of the grousing about Ukraine I see on the right comes from the desire to give the Biden regime another black eye, as though the catastrophic Afghanistan debacle weren't enough. You should think more about the immense damage caused by buggering out yet again and the increased chance of war in both Europe and with China should that occur.
Why is that a US interest?
The fate of Estonia (for example) has nothing to do with the US or our interests.
Our Southern border is critical. Eastern Europe is of no importance (to us), although I obviously recognize its importance to the people who live there.
While some may want to use this to blacken Biden’s eye, I think those people are far, far fewer than you imagine. Perhaps the US should not have broken their word regarding the Minsk agreement. Perhaps the US should not have continued their effort to surround Russia’s borders with countries being admitted to NATO. Russia/Putin is no angel or saint, not by a long stretch, but the US has been recklessly provocative, and deliberately so. There’s a reason Putin didn’t have any interest in invading Ukraine under Trump. Not until Nuland, Blinken, and the whole cabal decided they knew best and decided war wasn’t really so bad, especially if a lot of their friends in the Democrat Party can get rich in the process.
The Biden regime oozes feckless weakness like a leaky toilet. Putin saw the same chumps back in charge as under Obama, who did nothing about the 2014 invasion, and thought he could expect the same. Doing nothing was clearly their expectation as well, which is why they offered Zelensky a ride out of Kiev a few days into the war. Ukrainian resistance embarrassed them into doing something and then Cold War muscle memory kicked in.
As far as NATOs supposed provocations, it was the former Warsaw Pact members and the Baltics who clamored to get in, not the US pushing. We and the French and Germans dragged our feet for some time. Not admitting them due to fear of "provoking" Russia would have been to recognize a Russian "sphere of influence" over Eastern Europe, and the hypocrisy of doing so was too much even for DC, Paris and Berlin.
Minsk was a farce from the beginning and everyone knew it: the process of "referenda" in Ukraine it called for would have simply allowed Russian intelligence to agitate and produce even more excuses for attacking Ukraine and would led to its piecemeal dismemberment. That's what Russia hoped for, and that's why no one in the West expected Ukraine to comply.
Given the nature of the alliance and Russia's size, the notion that NATO would ever launch Barbarossa II against Russia is laughable, especially given the huge draw down in NATO forces the past two decades. Putin has undertaken his wars of aggression simply out of revanchism, and no amount of US diplomacy could have avoided that apart from just giving him whatever he wanted, which is simply not possible.
He resembled one in many ways.
Great post.
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