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Ohio-Ballot Issue 1

Posted on 08/09/2023 6:27:45 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET

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To: z3n

In other news, Joe Biden has recognized his 4 yr old grand daughter in Arkansas because 4 is the age that Planned Parenthood recognizes as the age of viability.


41 posted on 08/09/2023 8:16:33 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.for corruptiion)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Great post.


42 posted on 08/09/2023 8:19:57 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Moreno is the best choice, and President Trump will be on the ballot. Brown will go down.


43 posted on 08/09/2023 8:35:22 AM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! AMERICA FIRST! DEATH TO MARXISM AN GLOBALISM! Trump 2024, NO more Mr Nice)
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To: All

Abortion is now back in the hands of the states, and the states are making their choices.


44 posted on 08/09/2023 8:40:18 AM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! AMERICA FIRST! DEATH TO MARXISM AN GLOBALISM! Trump 2024, NO more Mr Nice)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

If your analysis were correct, JD Vance would not have won his senate seat.

On the whole, Ohio has for two decades drifted more and more out of the Democrat party orbit.

Abortion is a unique rallying cry for the Left. It is ominous but Republicans and Conservatives in Ohio should not give up.

They can win as the Vance victory showed along with 2016 and 2020 victories by Trump.


45 posted on 08/09/2023 8:41:58 AM PDT by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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To: snarkybob

When I checked the money which went into Prop 1 I was surprised to see that for once the good guys were not heavily outspent. So in that sense I concede that they didn’t take this election TOO lightly though I’m left to wonder what the supporters of Prop 1 spent that money ON.

Democrat money always goes towards effective propaganda and highly effective GOTV schemes (fraud not excepted — that costs them money too, presumably).

I live near Ohio but don’t watch Ohio TV, listen to Ohio radio, and my phone doesn’t have an Ohio IP address, all of which means I wasn’t inundated with liberal propaganda regarding Prop 1.

But *somebody* sure was, and it would interesting to know what, if anything, was done by Prop 1 supporters & organizers to counteract that and also what was done to get the good people of Ohio to show up at the polls (or vote in whatever way) in order to counteract the votes of the bad people.

The answer, I suspect, is “very little” and in any event the answer definitely was “not nearly enough”.

Now let’s get ready for 2024, because things will totally be different then!


46 posted on 08/09/2023 8:42:50 AM PDT by PermaRag (Joo Biden is not my President)
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To: z3n

Lawyer Robert Barnes made a good argument why the 60% threshhold was anti-democratic and anti-populist and put the power in the hands of the (unreliable) OH state leg.

I haven’t been in OH for 7 years, so I don’t know.


47 posted on 08/09/2023 8:52:39 AM PDT by LS
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To: LS

Lawyer Robert Barnes made a good argument why the 60% threshhold was anti-democratic and anti-populist and put the power in the hands of the (unreliable) OH state leg.

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The problem is that most of the amendments that happen have been proposed in recent times are very well funded and organized by OUT OF STATE interests.

Most of these are NOT organic in-State movements.


48 posted on 08/09/2023 9:04:26 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: LS

We can only hope that GOP women come back into the fold over the men in womens locker room and womens sports issues. In other words change the subject. It’s not as strong as the subject of abortion and republican women will offer to take off their pants off in front of a BJ or the Kenyan. They’ll have someone else ready.


49 posted on 08/09/2023 9:08:02 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (e allowed )
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To: DIRTYSECRET
First, this issue wasn't about legalizing abortion. It was about raising the threshold for a Constitutional amendment from 50 to 60%. So, the vote wasn't necessarily about legalizing abortion beyond six weeks.

Second, Trump won easily in Ohio twice. JD Vance won easily in 2022. So, there isn't any reason to believe this issue will result in Trump or whoever the GOP nominee for the Senate losing in 2024.

Third, the left and pro-abortion forces were more energized than the right and pro-lifers on this vote. That certainly doesn't mean they will be in November of next year with the Presidency control of the Senate on the line.

The most negative takeaway from this is that there is a good percentage of the voters in Ohio that support Trump and vote Republican that believe abortion should be legal beyond six weeks. That's a bit a shocker to me. But, it could be true.

50 posted on 08/09/2023 9:26:30 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Republicans have won every race for statewide office since 2010 in Ohio except the two Senate races involving Sherrod Brown, who was lucky enough twice to run in a year that favored Democrats. 2024 does not look like a year that will be favorable to Democrats.


51 posted on 08/09/2023 9:28:47 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
Brown was up for reelection the last two times in years favorable to Democrats. 2024 won't be a year favorable to Democrats.

As long as the Republicans nominate a quality nominee, he can and should be defeated.

52 posted on 08/09/2023 9:30:44 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan
The most negative takeaway from this is that there is a good percentage of the voters in Ohio that support Trump and vote Republican that believe abortion should be legal beyond six weeks. That's a bit a shocker to me. But, it could be true.

You'd be surprised how many folks that would never think of voting for a Democrat, want no part of a total ban on abortion. Frankly a lot of them, would prefer people abort babies they can't afford, than for them to pay for them through welfare.

53 posted on 08/09/2023 9:30:44 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Reno89519
It was referendum that sought to increase the percentage necessary to pass a constitutional amendment from 50 to 60%.
54 posted on 08/09/2023 9:32:49 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: CivilWarBrewing

Nonsense. Trump won easily here twice and JD Vance won easily last year. There is no evidence of election fraud here.


55 posted on 08/09/2023 9:33:48 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: dfwgator
It's not total ban here. Abortion is banned after six weeks.

But you make a good point. There are people I have been in online groups with that are Trump supporters and vote Republican that are in favor of legalized abortion.

56 posted on 08/09/2023 9:37:26 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: LS; All

I thought you might get a laugh out of this one.
A leftist organization promoting a rino. I often wonder who split-the-vote affects. Well, silly conservatives of course.
Suckers!!!

https://www.change.org/p/john-kasich-draft-john-kasich-for-president-2024


57 posted on 08/09/2023 9:42:23 AM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could fight - Romeo company)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
Republicans will keep losing until they get rid of Dominion voting machines.

This should be a priority for Republicans.

58 posted on 08/09/2023 9:50:51 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: DIRTYSECRET

I live in Ohio, run 2 local MAGA groups and posted about this election here and the MAGA groups.

Ohio population 11.7 mil, 3 mil voted, 57% No, 43%Yes

25% of the population voted.

2019-2021 Ohio voter affiliation stats:
8 mil registered voters
950k democrats
836k republicans
6 million UNAFFILIATED registered voters

This state is red, it is more populist than conservative based on the stats above. Republicans repeatedly fail by not addressing their stance on abortion. DeSantis doesn’t have a chance here.

According to Red Eagle Politics (YouTube) A swath of Republicans voted No. He compared votes from red districts in the past with this election.

Why we lost: Republicans focused on individual topics such as abortion, guns, farmers etc. There was no solidarity. Voters are lazy and didn’t understand what Issue 1 was about. Dems ran nonstop ads on streaming services. Republicans didn’t bother.

My opinion: the messaging should have been,

Do you want 50% approval to change the Constitution or 60%?

Example, should unlimited abortion be passed by 50% or 60%?
Should banning abortion be passed by 50% or 60%?

In other words, do you want either party to be able to change things with only 50% approval?

https://ballotpedia.org/Ohio_Issue_1,_60%25_Vote_Requirement_to_Approve_Constitutional_Amendments_Measure_(2023)

This link explains everything about issue1 including who supported it and who didn’t as well as the amount of money from outside sources. Both sides received the same amount 14-15 million.

After Trump is gone, Ohio will return to a swing state…..my prediction based on the stats.


59 posted on 08/09/2023 10:02:32 AM PDT by Moe-Patrick (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem)
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To: dfwgator

The 50% mark is a limit at about 8-10 weeks.

We should take what we can get, show that Democrats as extremists for wanting no limit even months beyond viability, and then work from there.


60 posted on 08/09/2023 10:41:38 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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