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Is Ukraine Awakening To The Likelihood That It Will Be Tossed Under The NATO Bus?
Sonar 21 ^ | 5Aug 23 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 08/06/2023 5:44:09 AM PDT by delta7

Foreigners who place their trust in the promise of the United States to have their back apparently are unaware of the fate of Vietnamese, Libyans, Cambodians, Afghanis and Iraquies who believed Washington’s promises. When the going gets tough, the U.S. says adios.

The following video cartoon is a canary in the mineshaft. While the West is scrambling to blame Ukraine for the failed counter offensive, some in the Ukraine are pushing back against that narrative by correctly noting that the pledge of Washington and NATO to give them the weapons systems needed to beat back the Russian offensive is nothing more than lip service. I’m providing two versions — youtube and Rumble (just in case youtube tries to quash the video).

* the video has had me laughing for an hour- a must see.

With no success on the battlefield Ukraine is opting for the drone hail Mary — i.e., attacking a couple of Russian ships with maritime drones. These attacks are pin pricks with no strategic significance in terms of diminishing Russia’s military power. However, these attacks are likely to inspire the Russian General Staff to look at attacks on NATO ISR operating over the Black Sea because of the role played by Western aerial surveillance in providing Ukraine with intelligence needed to attack those two Russian vessels. In addition, these attacks are likely to stiffen Russia’s resolve to impose a de facto embargo on Ukrainian ports in the coming weeks.

I wonder when the London bookies will start offering betting opportunities predicting Zelensky’s fall from power or the Ukrainian military’s withdrawal from the battlefield? That is another marker that is a better predictor of the course of the war in Ukraine than any of the nonsense being published by British intelligence or the Institute for the Study of War.


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To: delta7

No, because that is not going to happen

The Nato bus in question is but an excerpt from a war criminal wet dream.


21 posted on 08/06/2023 6:10:11 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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To: delta7

The fact that Ukraine isn’t, and has never been in NATO makes one wonder why they’re even on the bus.

Well, I think we all (mostly) know why they’re on that bus - they are the playpen of a lot of deep state globalists, with bio-labs, child trafficking, organ harvesting, and other nefarious activities that have been hidden from the view of the people for decades.


22 posted on 08/06/2023 6:10:42 AM PDT by meyer (FBI = KGB for the DNC; IRS = Gestapo)
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To: All

Another marker that is a better predictor of the course of the war in Ukraine than any of the nonsense being published by British intelligence or the Institute for the Study of War.......when the London bookies start offering betting opportunities predicting Zelensky’s fall from power or betting on the Ukrainian military’s withdrawal from the battlefield.


23 posted on 08/06/2023 6:12:57 AM PDT by Liz (More tears are shed over answered prayers than over unanswered ones. St Teresa of Avila)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
Yep.

Walter Cronkite was a New World Order Scumbag of the highest order.

He was selling a bill of goods to unsuspecting Americans who assumed he was a truthful, good, and honorable man.

Imagine if Americans back then were aware of THIS speech below that Cronkite gave about 30 years after shot the USA in the back with his famous broadcast after the Tet Offensive:


WALTER CRONKITE PROMOTES DEMOCRATIC FEDERAL WORLD GOVERNMENT
Received W.F.A.'s Norman Cousins Global Governance Award on 19 October 1999 

 I am greatly honored to receive this award for two reasons: first, I believe as Norman Cousins did that the first priority of humankind in this era is to establish an effective system of world law that will assure peace with justice among the peoples of the world; second, I feel sentimental about this award because half a century ago Norman offered me a job as spokesman and Washington lobbyist for the World Federalist organization, which was then in its infancy. I chose instead to continue in the world of journalism. For many years, I did my best to report on the issues of the day in as objective a manner as possible. When I had my own strong opinions, as I often did, I tried not to communicate them to my audience. Now, however, my circumstances are different. I am in a position to speak my mind. And that is what I propose to do.   Those of us who are living today can influence the future of civilization. We can influence whether our planet will drift into chaos and violence, or whether through a monumental educational and political effort we will achieve a world of peace under a system of law where individual violators of that law are brought to justice.  

For most of this fairly long life I have been an optimist harboring a belief that as our globe shrank, as our communication miracles brought us closer together, we would begin to appreciate the commonality of our universal desire to live in peace and that we would do something to satisfy that yearning of all peoples. Today I find it harder to cling to that hope. For how many thousands of years now have we humans been what we insist on calling "civilized"? And yet, in total contradiction, we also persist in the savage belief that we must occasionally, at least, settle our arguments by killing one another.   While we spend much of our time and a great deal of our treasure in preparing for war, we see no comparable effort to establish a lasting peace. Meanwhile, emphasizing the sloth in this regard, those advocates who work for world peace by urging a system of world government are called impractical dreamers. Those "impractical dreamers" are entitled to ask their critics, "what is so practical about war?" 

 It seems to many of us that if we are to avoid the eventual catastrophic world conflict we must strengthen the United Nations as a first step toward a world government with a legislature, executive and judiciary, and police to enforce its international laws and keep the peace. To do that, of course, we Americans will have to yield up some of our sovereignty. It would take a lot of courage, a lot of faith in the new order. But the American colonies did it once and brought forth one of the most nearly perfect unions the world has ever seen. The circumstances were vastly different, obviously. Yet just because the task appears forbiddingly hard, we should not shirk it. We cannot defer this responsibility to posterity. Democracy, civilization itself, is at stake. Within the next few years we must change the basic structure of our global community from the present anarchic system of war and ever more destructive weaponry to a new system governed by a democratic U.N. federation. 

 Let's focus on a few specifics of what the leadership of the World Federalist movement believe must be done now to advance the rule of world law. For starters, we can draw on the wisdom of the Framers of the U.S. Constitution of 1787. The differences among the American states then were as bitter as differences among nation-states in the world today. In their almost miraculous insight, the Founders of our country invented 'federalism,' a concept that is rooted in the rights of the individual. Our federal system guarantees a maximum of freedom but provides it in a framework of law and justice. Our forefathers believed that the closer the laws are to the people, the better. Cities legislate on local matters; states make decisions on matters within their borders; and the national government deals with issues that transcend the states, such as interstate commerce and foreign relations. That is federalism.   Today we must develop federal structures on a global level. We need a system of enforceable world law --a democratic federal world government-- to deal with world problems. What Alexander Hamilton wrote about the need for law among the 13 states applies today to the approximately 200 sovereignties in our global village: "To look for a continuation of harmony between a number of independent unconnected sovereignties in the same neighborhood, would be to disregard the uniform course of human events, and to set at defiance the accumulated experience of ages." Today the notion of unlimited national sovereignty means international anarchy. We must replace the anarchic law of force with a civilized force of law. 

 Ours will neither be a perfect world, nor a world without disagreement and occasional violence. But it will be a world where the vast majority of national leaders will consistently abide by the rule of world law, and those who won't will be dealt with effectively and with due process by the structures of that same world law. We will never have a city without crime, but we would never want to live in a city that had no system of law to deal with criminals. 

 Let me make three suggestions for immediate action that would move us in a direction firmly in the American tradition of law and democracy.


1. Keep our promises: We helped create the U.N. and to develop the U.N. assessment formula. Americans overwhelmingly want us to pay our U.N. dues, with no crippling limitations. We owe it to the world. In fact, we owe it as well to our national self-esteem. 


2. Ratify the Treaty to Ban Land Mines, the Law of the Sea Treaty, the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, the Convention to Eliminate All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, and the Convention on the Rights of the Child. Most important, we should sign and ratify the Treaty for a permanent International Criminal Court. That Court will enable the world to hold individuals accountable for crimes against humanity.


3. Consider, after 55 years, the possibility of a more representative and democratic system of decision making at the U.N. This should include both revision of the veto in the Security Council and adoption of a weighted voting system for the General Assembly. The World Federalists have endorsed Richard Hudson's Binding Triad proposal. George Soros, in "The Crisis of Global Capitalism," has given serious attention to this concept which would be based upon not only one-nation-one-vote but also on population and contributions to the U.N. budget. Resolutions adopted by majorities in each of these areas would be binding, enforceable law. Within the powers given to it in the Charter, the U.N. could then deal with matters of reliable financing, a standing U.N. peace force, development, the environment and human rights.  

Some of you may ask why the Senate is not ratifying these important treaties and why the Congress is not paying our U.N. dues. As with the American rejection of the League of Nations, our failure to live up to our obligations to the U.N. is led by a few willful senators who choose to pursue their narrow, selfish political objectives at the cost of our nation's conscience. They pander to and are supported by the Christian Coalition and the rest of the religious right wing. Their leader, Pat Robertson, has written that we should have a world government but only when the messiah arrives. Attempts for world order before that time are the work of the Devil! This small but well-organized group has intimidated both the Republican Party and the Clinton administration. It has attacked presidents since F.D.R. for supporting the U.N. Robertson explains that these presidents are the unwitting agents of Lucifer. 

The only way we who believe in the vision of a democratic world federal government can effectively overcome this reactionary movement is to organize a strong educational counteroffensive stretching from the most publicly visible people in all fields to the humblest individuals in every community. That is the vision and program of the World Federalist Association. The strength of the World Federalist program would serve an important auxiliary purpose at this particular point in our history. There would be immediate diplomatic advantages if the world knew that this country was even beginning to explore the prospect of strengthening the U.N. We would appear before the peoples of the world as the champion of peace for all by the equitable sharing of power. This in sharp contrast to the growing concern that we intend to use our current dominant military power to enforce a sort of pax Americana.   Our country today is at a stage in our foreign policy similar to that crucial point in our nation's early history when our Constitution was produced in Philadelphia. Let us hear the peal of a new international liberty bell that calls us all to the creation of a system of enforceable world law in which the universal desire for peace can place its hope and prayers. As Carl Van Doren has written, "History is now choosing the founders of the World Federation. Any person who can be among that number and fails to do so has lost the noblest opportunity of a lifetime."

24 posted on 08/06/2023 6:15:18 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: qaz123
And I’m betting that the areas that Russia holds on to,

Right, because russia is the land where people have a high-standard of living. Okay


25 posted on 08/06/2023 6:17:11 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

How refreshing it is to read your comments that are not the progressive brainwashing of the past decades.

You are so correct in your statement! I’d like to add that the Paris Peace Accord was the result of successful military operations against the North. This accord was supposed to be a peaceful settlement where US troops withdrew. The North then reinvaded and Ted Kennedy led the defunding of the South. The South literally ran out of bullets and gas and was forced to surrender.

The South Vietnamese and the Cambodes were indeed thrown under the bus by our left. They were not military losses, they were political pullouts.

Same with the other wars mentioned in the article. Afghanistan is just as sorry as our Vietnam pullout, where thousands of allied peoples were left behind to be slaughtered.

I’m also inclined to believe the Gulf Of Tonkin stories are also progressive history changes, where it in fact did happen. Our failure to continue the fight of communism is what brought it to our country. The brainwashed have yet to figure this one out.


26 posted on 08/06/2023 6:20:19 AM PDT by redfreedom (Joseph Stalin: "It does not mater how anyone votes, how votes are counted is what matters.")
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To: tlozo

What’s the source for that map?

And do we have a similar map for, say, San Francisco or LA that includes the coveted street people and THEIR facilities?


27 posted on 08/06/2023 6:23:46 AM PDT by meyer (FBI = KGB for the DNC; IRS = Gestapo)
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To: wildcard_redneck
Is there a disaster of a war that you don’t like?

Yep. Like all neocons the war they don't like is the war they are forced to boot up and fight. Cowards all.

28 posted on 08/06/2023 6:25:48 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Trump or Bust! Long live the Republic.)
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To: PIF
Is Russia Awakening To The Likelihood That It Will Be Tossed Under The World’s Bus?

Exactly!

That's the likelier case.

Ukraine will not be given up on, no matter who the president is and no matter how long the war takes before Russia is kicked out. NATO and the EU and the U.S. would suffer immeasurable harm if Ukraine is given up.
29 posted on 08/06/2023 6:25:57 AM PDT by adorno
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To: tlozo

What percentage of Russia is white compared to the US?

What percentage of Russian kids have non-conventional genders compared to the US?


30 posted on 08/06/2023 6:26:55 AM PDT by Rattlesnake_Snook
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To: adorno
Ukraine will not be given up on, no matter who the president is and no matter how long the war takes before Russia is kicked out. NATO and the EU and the U.S. would suffer immeasurable harm if Ukraine is given up.

In for a penny, in for a few kilotons.

31 posted on 08/06/2023 6:30:31 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Trump or Bust! Long live the Republic.)
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook
What percentage of Russia is white compared to the US?

What percentage of youth in russia are muslim?

With more than sixty ethnicities practicing Islam, Russia has the largest number of Muslims in Europe.

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/new-book-uncovers-what-it-means-to-be-a-muslim-in-russia-today

32 posted on 08/06/2023 6:33:28 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: meyer
What’s the source for that map?

Data source is Rosstat- Russia’s state statistical agency

According to a new report by Russia’s state statistical agency, Rosstat, 35 million Russians live in houses or apartments without indoor toilets, 47 million do not have hot water, 29 million don’t have any running water inside their residences, and 22 million do not have central heating

In fact, only 62.7 percent of the Russian population has the usual accoutrements of modern existence – water in the house, plumbing, heating and gas or electric ranges, Rosstat says, a fact that must seem incredible to those who visit only Moscow or St. Petersburg but a fact of life for those who lives beyond the ring roads of the capitals.

33 posted on 08/06/2023 6:38:34 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: adorno

Please, describe this immeasurable harm to the US.
(in round-a-bout quantities since there is no “measure”...)


34 posted on 08/06/2023 6:39:31 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: delta7

Ukraine was always going to lose. The only real strategic aim by the US was to murder more russian men and make russia weaker.

The US is the war wonger state in this situation.


35 posted on 08/06/2023 6:40:24 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook; Chad C. Mulligan

There was no rationale for a 520,000 man expeditionary force in Vietnam unless it was going to be used correctly - which was never a possibility.

Johnson’s excuse for all the pain - “to prove we are serious”, and then not to act seriously, put Nixon in the White House. Nixon’s unwillingness to “cut and run” à la Afghanistan, to have “peace with honor”, killed more Americans to no good end.


36 posted on 08/06/2023 6:45:19 AM PDT by Jim Noble (He who saves the nation breaks no law)
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To: delta7

Any military action in the modern era is doomed without dominance of the skies, which the Ukraine has not.


37 posted on 08/06/2023 6:52:47 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("A republic, if you can keep it" Benjam Franklin.)
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To: tlozo

And those Muslims are in their own states which have been part of Russia for hundreds of years

Now how many illegal aliens does the US have compared to Russia?


38 posted on 08/06/2023 6:53:48 AM PDT by Rattlesnake_Snook
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook
Now how many illegal aliens does the US have compared to Russia?

You got me there, not many poor people in the world are trying to emigrate to russia.

39 posted on 08/06/2023 6:58:57 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: RedMonqey

Russia doesn’t have it either and Ukrainians are fighting at their home.


40 posted on 08/06/2023 7:01:55 AM PDT by Krosan
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