Posted on 07/12/2023 8:37:25 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
A desperate drug addicted dictator is losing a war so he orders the use of vengeance weapons against his enemy. This sounds like something from 80 years ago but it is happening now in the Ukraine where Zelensky is demanding the use of the V-3 Cluster Bomb vengeance weapons. And weirdly, the USA will give it to him. Why? Because, according to Joe Biden, we have run out of ammo so that justifies the use of cluster bombs. Using that line of reasoning it could lead to the use of even more terrible weapons. Don't believe me, Zelensky himself now wants to use Nukes on the Russkies. WWIII anybody?
MEIN FUHRER! I CAN WALK!!!
Keep pushing Russian propaganda and maybe they will take you in after their good will gesture of leaving Ukraine.
Applying logic used by these people, I certainly hope my city police department has plenty of ammo. I know what mission creep looks like.
“Russia from the first days of the invasion and in war crimes against civilians.”
Both have been using them since 2014 with saturation munitions. But their increased use will change the dynamic of the conflict. It will make the combat use justified and will effect more civilians in greater numbers, easier, thus accessible. This accepted cart/horse strategy will make the death rate increase accepted. It will escalate a conflict that should be stopped rather than nurtured.
wy69
MEIN FUHRER! I CAN WALK!!!
“”””But their increased use will change the dynamic of the conflict. It will make the combat use justified””””
Their combat use is justified, it is the Russian use against civilians that is a war crime, and what makes you think their use will be increased over what it has been by Russia?
The dynamic change will be the better ability for the Ukes to dislodge the Ivans from their massive fortifications and entrenchments without having air assets.
Of course, we and NATO have an interest in Russian European conquests, and they’re starting the biggest European war since WWII to do it while trying to scare off those who oppose their invasion with threats of nuclear attacks and even threatening to normalize nuclear weapon use in foreign invasions.
Lockheed built several types. One of the bomblets was the size and shape of half a roll of quarters, with a short nylon ribbon for guidance after the casing rupture. Several hundred could be contained. They were too small for damaging structures, but excellent for anti-personnel, (Wound rather than kill.)
No, this is not sarcasm.
I think we might be the Baddies.
And yes, Biden is an addict. They pump him full of cholinesterase inhibitors, (donepezil, rivastigmine and galantamine) and memantine, before they shove him in front of the cameras. The effects last an hour or so, before he starts going off script, but they wouldn't dare expose him for much longer than that.
“””I think we might be the Baddies.”””
A lot of countries virtue signal on mines and cluster bombs, and don’t take warfare and military budgets seriously because America will keep them safe.
“The Defense Department had been due by 2019 to stop use of any cluster munitions with a rate of unexploded ordnance greater than 1%. But the Trump administration rolled back that policy, allowing commanders to approve use of such munitions.”
The Trump administration cancels a plan to curtail the use of cluster bombs
November 30, 2017
“The policy change, which reverses a 2008 decision by the George W. Bush administration”
The Biden Crime Family did/do
Both sides in the ongoing war in Ukraine have used cluster munitions, with Ukrainian cluster munitions killing eight civilians in Izium last year, according to Human Rights Watch.
“Their combat use is justified, it is the Russian use against civilians that is a war crime”
Three of the countries that did not sign off on the illegal use of cluster ordinance were the United States, Russia and the Ukraine. So whether it’s a war crime or not is a paticulat point of view. To the combatants of this conflict, it isn’t.
“... what makes you think their use will be increased over what it has been by Russia?”
As the Ukrainees escalate their munitions to a more steady supply and use of mass killing capacity, Russia will too.
“The dynamic change will be the better ability for the Ukes to dislodge the Ivans from their massive fortifications and entrenchments without having air assets.”
This ordinance can be used in the air. And having it become common to use this type of mass capacity is just an open invitation for Russia to increase the carpet bombing and missile attacks to force Z to call it off.
This is a civil war where both sides want the assets of the Ukraine territories and the bragging rights attached. And both leaders are fighting to gain assets, Ukraine to stay independent, and Russia to regain what they lost in 1991 when the Ukraine was theirs. And the Ukraine is the strongest of the territory Russia lost so this is also an exhibit to others that did the same thing and make them think twice before they fight back. International politics is a war of stare downs and a massive game of hold’em and one up man ship. Whoever has the most marbles at the end wins.
wy69
You keep calling them war crime weapons, they aren’t, and Russia is already using them as much as they want or can.
“The cluster munition attack with the highest known civilian casualties occurred on April 8, 2022, when Russia launched a Tochka-U ballistic missile equipped with a cluster munition warhead at a crowded train station in the eastern city of Kramatorsk as hundreds of people were trying to leave the area. A detailed Human Rights Watch investigation found that the attack killed at least 58 civilians and injured over 100 others.
Is using them a war crime?
The use of cluster bombs itself does not violate international law, but using them against civilians can be a violation. As in any strike, determining a war crime requires looking at whether the target was legitimate and if precautions were taken to avoid civilian casualties.
“The part of international law where this starts playing [a role], though, is indiscriminate attacks targeting civilians,” Human Rights Watch’s associate arms director Mark Hiznay told The Associated Press news agency. “So that’s not necessarily related to the weapons, but the way the weapons are used.”
“Hundreds of cluster munition attacks by Russian forces have been documented, reported or alleged since Russia invaded Ukraine, the Cluster Munition Coalition (CMC) said.
The CMC’s annual report on the use of such weapons around the world found that Ukrainian forces appear to have also used cluster munitions at least three times, adding that there was no evidence of Kyiv acquiring cluster munitions from other countries this year.
“Russia’s extensive use of internationally banned cluster munitions in Ukraine demonstrates a blatant disregard for human life, humanitarian principles and legal norms,” said Mary Wareham, one of the report’s co-editors.”
Yep
President Trump put the kibosh on the Neocon war scheme that Hillary was supposed to push through.
John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Amy Klobuchar in Ukraine
Petro Poroshenko was the President that our CIA put in power with the intention of starting the war against Russia.
Poroshenko was elected president on 25 May 2014 (after the CIA and MI6 backed Maidan Revolution), receiving 54.7% of the votes cast in the first round, thus winning outright and avoiding a run-off. During his presidency, Poroshenko led the country through the first phase of the war in Donbas, pushing the Russian separatist forces into the Donbas Region. He began the process of integration with the European Union by signing the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement.
Poroshenko's domestic policy promoted the Ukrainian language, nationalism, inclusive capitalism, decommunization, and administrative decentralization.
Maidan Revolution,[2] took place in Ukraine in February 2014[2][1] at the end of the Euromaidan protests,[1] when deadly clashes between protesters and state forces in the capital Kyiv culminated in the ousting of elected President Viktor Yanukovych and a return to the 2004 Constitution. It also led to the outbreak of the Russo-Ukrainian War.[1][2]
It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war
The reality is that, after two decades of eastward Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless.
Saw a old video this a.m. of Jen Psaki saying that Russians using cluster bombs is a war crime.
Now we are OK with them when we supply them and Ukraine uses them??
The hypocrisy of this admin is though the roof.
See post 28, it is Russia doing what it does, invading the areas whose wealth and population it wants to incorporate, it is the behavior NATO exists to protect itself from.
“”””Saw a old video this a.m. of Jen Psaki saying that Russians using cluster bombs is a war crime.”””””
No, you didn’t, the response was about use against civilians and that potentially being a war crime.
Transcript:
“Q Thanks, Jen. There are reports of illegal cluster bombs and vacuum bombs being used by the Russians. If that’s true, what is the next step of this administration? And is there a red line for how much violence will be tolerated against civilians in this manner that’s illegal and potentially a war crime?
MS. PSAKI: It is — it would be. I don’t have any confirmation of that. We have seen the reports. If that were true, it would potentially be a war crime.
Obviously, there are a range of international fora that would assess that. So, certainly, we would look to that to be a part of that conversation.”
From what I read today parts of cluster bombs do fall in civilian areas.
I’m not pro-Zelenskyy or pro-Putin but my sympathy is for the Ukrainian and Russian people.
This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
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